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Attributes | |
ACN | 189018 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pfw airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3400 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other landing other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 7300 flight time type : 850 |
ASRS Report | 189018 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Approach into dallas in large transport, late descent on downwind with 'early' turn to base made us a 'little' high. We were told to expect 17L. Seeing we were going to be high, we had maximum drag out. We noticed that approach was going to give us a late turn to the southwest to intercept 17L localizer. We went through localizer when approach called (he seemed to be 'off' on all his calls, said cleared to 4000 ft (at 6000 ft and high!) and changed runway to 18R. Then gave us turn to southwest to intercept localizer. I thought we were cleared for approach and so flew it. At 3600 ft and still high he called us cleared for approach. There was no traffic anywhere near us and we were coming down with full boards and gear, never got on GS until approximately 800 ft. Well, I looked at our altitude alert (4000 ft). Were now at 3400 ft and I'm thinking (approach selected on MCP). Well, if he had not cleared us for approach earlier then I busted altitude by 400 ft. To be honest, we were so high and so busy with last min changes that I can't recall the controller's exact words when given the southwest heading for 18R (____ 17L). I have been flying into dallas for 7 yrs and this last min hurried change occurs way too often and considering traffic on both sides of the airport at this time, no need for this change. What bothers me is how both controller and pilot are being set up for miscom in the most crucial/busy time of a flight and in this one instance, I just can't remember approach's precise wording. I hope this letter adds to the pile you get about dfw and more improvements are made.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LGT ALT DEV EXCURSION FROM CLRNC ALT. STARTED APCH BEFORE BEING CLRED.
Narrative: APCH INTO DALLAS IN LGT, LATE DSCNT ON DOWNWIND WITH 'EARLY' TURN TO BASE MADE US A 'LITTLE' HIGH. WE WERE TOLD TO EXPECT 17L. SEEING WE WERE GOING TO BE HIGH, WE HAD MAX DRAG OUT. WE NOTICED THAT APCH WAS GOING TO GIVE US A LATE TURN TO THE SW TO INTERCEPT 17L LOC. WE WENT THROUGH LOC WHEN APCH CALLED (HE SEEMED TO BE 'OFF' ON ALL HIS CALLS, SAID CLRED TO 4000 FT (AT 6000 FT AND HIGH!) AND CHANGED RWY TO 18R. THEN GAVE US TURN TO SW TO INTERCEPT LOC. I THOUGHT WE WERE CLRED FOR APCH AND SO FLEW IT. AT 3600 FT AND STILL HIGH HE CALLED US CLRED FOR APCH. THERE WAS NO TFC ANYWHERE NEAR US AND WE WERE COMING DOWN WITH FULL BOARDS AND GEAR, NEVER GOT ON GS UNTIL APPROX 800 FT. WELL, I LOOKED AT OUR ALT ALERT (4000 FT). WERE NOW AT 3400 FT AND I'M THINKING (APCH SELECTED ON MCP). WELL, IF HE HAD NOT CLRED US FOR APCH EARLIER THEN I BUSTED ALT BY 400 FT. TO BE HONEST, WE WERE SO HIGH AND SO BUSY WITH LAST MIN CHANGES THAT I CAN'T RECALL THE CTLR'S EXACT WORDS WHEN GIVEN THE SW HDG FOR 18R (____ 17L). I HAVE BEEN FLYING INTO DALLAS FOR 7 YRS AND THIS LAST MIN HURRIED CHANGE OCCURS WAY TOO OFTEN AND CONSIDERING TFC ON BOTH SIDES OF THE ARPT AT THIS TIME, NO NEED FOR THIS CHANGE. WHAT BOTHERS ME IS HOW BOTH CTLR AND PLT ARE BEING SET UP FOR MISCOM IN THE MOST CRUCIAL/BUSY TIME OF A FLT AND IN THIS ONE INSTANCE, I JUST CAN'T REMEMBER APCH'S PRECISE WORDING. I HOPE THIS LETTER ADDS TO THE PILE YOU GET ABOUT DFW AND MORE IMPROVEMENTS ARE MADE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.