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Airport safety person complaint that safety was compromised when the flight crew started aircraft engines as company ground personnel was cleaning the windshield.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 189046 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199109 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mci |
| State Reference | MO |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground : parked |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 230 flight time total : 6000 |
| ASRS Report | 189046 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time total : 9400 |
| ASRS Report | 189244 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | faa : investigated |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Airport |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
| Situations | |
| Airport | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Ground agents were cleaning our windshields while other ramp agents cleared us to start our engines. Aircraft was chocked, parking brake was set, and my feet were on the brakes. An airport safety person observed incident and felt it was dangerous. He wrote a report and submitted it to FAA. Felt that there was a threat to agent or platform cleaning windshield even though agent was 10-12 ft from propeller. Supplemental information from acn 189244: I would like to state again that this was a controled situation and there was full coordination between the 5 persons involved. At no time did I feel that there was something about the event described here that was unsafe. Mr. X told me that he had witnessed the whole event. He also felt that this event was done in full coordination by the persons involved and that after talking with his ramp agents, he was not going to take further action.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ARPT SAFETY PERSON COMPLAINT THAT SAFETY WAS COMPROMISED WHEN THE FLC STARTED ACFT ENGS AS CGP WAS CLEANING THE WINDSHIELD.
Narrative: GND AGENTS WERE CLEANING OUR WINDSHIELDS WHILE OTHER RAMP AGENTS CLRED US TO START OUR ENGS. ACFT WAS CHOCKED, PARKING BRAKE WAS SET, AND MY FEET WERE ON THE BRAKES. AN ARPT SAFETY PERSON OBSERVED INCIDENT AND FELT IT WAS DANGEROUS. HE WROTE A RPT AND SUBMITTED IT TO FAA. FELT THAT THERE WAS A THREAT TO AGENT OR PLATFORM CLEANING WINDSHIELD EVEN THOUGH AGENT WAS 10-12 FT FROM PROP. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 189244: I WOULD LIKE TO STATE AGAIN THAT THIS WAS A CTLED SITUATION AND THERE WAS FULL COORD BTWN THE 5 PERSONS INVOLVED. AT NO TIME DID I FEEL THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE EVENT DESCRIBED HERE THAT WAS UNSAFE. MR. X TOLD ME THAT HE HAD WITNESSED THE WHOLE EVENT. HE ALSO FELT THAT THIS EVENT WAS DONE IN FULL COORD BY THE PERSONS INVOLVED AND THAT AFTER TALKING WITH HIS RAMP AGENTS, HE WAS NOT GOING TO TAKE FURTHER ACTION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.