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Attributes | |
ACN | 189243 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phl |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 19000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Heavy Transport, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10280 flight time type : 2300 |
ASRS Report | 189243 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were flying a charter from kphl to bikf and climbing out over the state of new jersey. We were cleared to FL230. There were thunderstorms to the north of us. The captain was flying. I had asked the so to call FSS for the details on new sigmets and see if they applied to our route of flight. We were passing through FL180 when the so began giving us his briefing on the WX. As he was doing this I heard the cabin altitude horn begin sounding. This is an intermittent horn that sounds when the cabin exceeds 10000 ft. The so turned back to his panel. We had a mechanic who rides jump seat with us and the 2 of them began working on the problem. I was turned around in my seat and working with them. The captain became involved in working on the problem also. He had reduced the rate of climb to about 200-300 FPM when he heard the horn. At this time I suggested that I fly the aircraft while everyone else concentrated on the pressurization problem. He had reduced the rate of climb in order to assess the situation and see if it could be rectified or if a descent would be required. By this time we were just approaching FL190. He told me not to climb any higher until they could figure out what was going on. I was just about to call ATC (ny center) when we got a call from them wanting to confirm our altitude. I answered FL190 to which he asked if we were climbing to FL230. At that time I informed him of our situation. He was perturbed and said he was planning on us climbing to FL230 and that he had crossing traffic at FL190. (I then recalled that he had mentioned that earlier) but I had forgotten it due to being busy first with the pressurization problem and just with acclimating myself to be the PF the aircraft. He then gave the other aircraft a vector followed by a vector for us. Shortly thereafter the pressurization problem was solved and we continued the climb. Contributing factors: there would not have been any need to distract the so to obtain WX information if we could have contacted flight watch from the ground in phl via a remote transmitter/receiver. I tried to do this a couple of times during taxi out but was unable. This would have allowed the so to see the problem developing sooner before it distracted us from our duties. As far as not notifying ATC immediately, given the relatively low altitude the situation was not an emergency and we did not want to begin a descent until we could evaluate what was going on. There is also a transitional time frame for all of us as the so evaluates what he's got. The captain goes from PF to working out the problem and I switch from the problem to flying the aircraft. All of this couldn't have been more than 3-4 mins.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT CABIN PRESSURE WAS RISING WITH ACFT. CLB WAS DELAYED UNTIL PRESSURE PROBLEM WAS SOLVED BY FLT ENGINEER. CTLR PROTESTED DELAY IN CLB AND GAVE VECTORS.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING A CHARTER FROM KPHL TO BIKF AND CLBING OUT OVER THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY. WE WERE CLRED TO FL230. THERE WERE TSTMS TO THE N OF US. THE CAPT WAS FLYING. I HAD ASKED THE SO TO CALL FSS FOR THE DETAILS ON NEW SIGMETS AND SEE IF THEY APPLIED TO OUR RTE OF FLT. WE WERE PASSING THROUGH FL180 WHEN THE SO BEGAN GIVING US HIS BRIEFING ON THE WX. AS HE WAS DOING THIS I HEARD THE CABIN ALT HORN BEGIN SOUNDING. THIS IS AN INTERMITTENT HORN THAT SOUNDS WHEN THE CABIN EXCEEDS 10000 FT. THE SO TURNED BACK TO HIS PANEL. WE HAD A MECH WHO RIDES JUMP SEAT WITH US AND THE 2 OF THEM BEGAN WORKING ON THE PROBLEM. I WAS TURNED AROUND IN MY SEAT AND WORKING WITH THEM. THE CAPT BECAME INVOLVED IN WORKING ON THE PROBLEM ALSO. HE HAD REDUCED THE RATE OF CLB TO ABOUT 200-300 FPM WHEN HE HEARD THE HORN. AT THIS TIME I SUGGESTED THAT I FLY THE ACFT WHILE EVERYONE ELSE CONCENTRATED ON THE PRESSURIZATION PROBLEM. HE HAD REDUCED THE RATE OF CLB IN ORDER TO ASSESS THE SITUATION AND SEE IF IT COULD BE RECTIFIED OR IF A DSCNT WOULD BE REQUIRED. BY THIS TIME WE WERE JUST APCHING FL190. HE TOLD ME NOT TO CLB ANY HIGHER UNTIL THEY COULD FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. I WAS JUST ABOUT TO CALL ATC (NY CENTER) WHEN WE GOT A CALL FROM THEM WANTING TO CONFIRM OUR ALT. I ANSWERED FL190 TO WHICH HE ASKED IF WE WERE CLBING TO FL230. AT THAT TIME I INFORMED HIM OF OUR SITUATION. HE WAS PERTURBED AND SAID HE WAS PLANNING ON US CLBING TO FL230 AND THAT HE HAD XING TFC AT FL190. (I THEN RECALLED THAT HE HAD MENTIONED THAT EARLIER) BUT I HAD FORGOTTEN IT DUE TO BEING BUSY FIRST WITH THE PRESSURIZATION PROBLEM AND JUST WITH ACCLIMATING MYSELF TO BE THE PF THE ACFT. HE THEN GAVE THE OTHER ACFT A VECTOR FOLLOWED BY A VECTOR FOR US. SHORTLY THEREAFTER THE PRESSURIZATION PROBLEM WAS SOLVED AND WE CONTINUED THE CLB. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: THERE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ANY NEED TO DISTRACT THE SO TO OBTAIN WX INFO IF WE COULD HAVE CONTACTED FLT WATCH FROM THE GND IN PHL VIA A REMOTE TRANSMITTER/RECEIVER. I TRIED TO DO THIS A COUPLE OF TIMES DURING TAXI OUT BUT WAS UNABLE. THIS WOULD HAVE ALLOWED THE SO TO SEE THE PROBLEM DEVELOPING SOONER BEFORE IT DISTRACTED US FROM OUR DUTIES. AS FAR AS NOT NOTIFYING ATC IMMEDIATELY, GIVEN THE RELATIVELY LOW ALT THE SITUATION WAS NOT AN EMER AND WE DID NOT WANT TO BEGIN A DSCNT UNTIL WE COULD EVALUATE WHAT WAS GOING ON. THERE IS ALSO A TRANSITIONAL TIME FRAME FOR ALL OF US AS THE SO EVALUATES WHAT HE'S GOT. THE CAPT GOES FROM PF TO WORKING OUT THE PROBLEM AND I SWITCH FROM THE PROBLEM TO FLYING THE ACFT. ALL OF THIS COULDN'T HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 3-4 MINS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.