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Attributes | |
ACN | 190219 |
Time | |
Date | 199109 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mfa airport : mia |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 15000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zma tower : mia artcc : zdc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 190219 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Mia ATIS information was timed at 1 min 20 seconds. This is getting ridiculous. The information needed to plan the approach includes ceiling, visibility, wind, temperature and approach in use. That should take about 10 seconds to transmit. All other information should have been put in the NOTAMS for study before departure. The feds are just trying to cover any potential liability problems, but it is going to cause potential problems in the cockpit by taking up precious time and concentration which should focused on descent into a busy terminal area. If you dare miss part of the ATIS (ATC radio calls, checklist items, static, poor recording, cockpit demands) it just costs you valuable time waiting for it to come around again. We are covering over 5 mi per min. ATC needs to put NOTAMS back on paper where they belong, and WX back on the ATIS where it belongs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR PROTESTS LENGTH OF ATIS INFO AND QUALITY OF THE INFO.
Narrative: MIA ATIS INFO WAS TIMED AT 1 MIN 20 SECS. THIS IS GETTING RIDICULOUS. THE INFO NEEDED TO PLAN THE APCH INCLUDES CEILING, VISIBILITY, WIND, TEMP AND APCH IN USE. THAT SHOULD TAKE ABOUT 10 SECONDS TO XMIT. ALL OTHER INFO SHOULD HAVE BEEN PUT IN THE NOTAMS FOR STUDY BEFORE DEP. THE FEDS ARE JUST TRYING TO COVER ANY POTENTIAL LIABILITY PROBLEMS, BUT IT IS GOING TO CAUSE POTENTIAL PROBLEMS IN THE COCKPIT BY TAKING UP PRECIOUS TIME AND CONCENTRATION WHICH SHOULD FOCUSED ON DSCNT INTO A BUSY TERMINAL AREA. IF YOU DARE MISS PART OF THE ATIS (ATC RADIO CALLS, CHKLIST ITEMS, STATIC, POOR RECORDING, COCKPIT DEMANDS) IT JUST COSTS YOU VALUABLE TIME WAITING FOR IT TO COME AROUND AGAIN. WE ARE COVERING OVER 5 MI PER MIN. ATC NEEDS TO PUT NOTAMS BACK ON PAPER WHERE THEY BELONG, AND WX BACK ON THE ATIS WHERE IT BELONGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.