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Attributes | |
ACN | 190778 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : dpk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 14000 msl bound upper : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 190778 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 191129 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Given clearance to cross dpk VOR at 15000 ft, subsequently cleared to cross gweny intersection at 11000 ft both crew members understood new clearance to mean dpk at or below 15000 ft, passing dpk at 14000 ft. Controller advised we were to maintain 15000 ft until passing dpk. Misunderstanding is built into the system at this point because controllers are always asking for best rate in this area and we've come to expect requests for rapid dscnts. Supplemental information from acn 191129: in the confusion, the aircraft overshot the 069 degree radial of dpk slightly.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MISINTERPRET CLRNC TO CROSS DPK AT OR BELOW 15000.
Narrative: GIVEN CLRNC TO CROSS DPK VOR AT 15000 FT, SUBSEQUENTLY CLRED TO CROSS GWENY INTXN AT 11000 FT BOTH CREW MEMBERS UNDERSTOOD NEW CLRNC TO MEAN DPK AT OR BELOW 15000 FT, PASSING DPK AT 14000 FT. CTLR ADVISED WE WERE TO MAINTAIN 15000 FT UNTIL PASSING DPK. MISUNDERSTANDING IS BUILT INTO THE SYS AT THIS POINT BECAUSE CTLRS ARE ALWAYS ASKING FOR BEST RATE IN THIS AREA AND WE'VE COME TO EXPECT REQUESTS FOR RAPID DSCNTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 191129: IN THE CONFUSION, THE ACFT OVERSHOT THE 069 DEG RADIAL OF DPK SLIGHTLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.