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Attributes | |
ACN | 190965 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tus |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 800 msl bound upper : 1000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : tus |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Military Trainer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 210 |
ASRS Report | 190965 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 800 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
At approximately 800 ft on takeoff, TCASII calls in rapid succession traffic, traffic, monitor vertical speed, reduce climb, reduce climb. Climb rate was reduced in accordance with TCASII calls and TCASII downgraded. I believe I had a false TCASII 'RA' until about 4-5 seconds later, when both the first officer and I saw a military jet about 700 ft off our right wing in a break (right overhead) maneuver at a high bank angle. I was upset that the pilot of the military jet chose to fly so close to a transport category jet. Tus tower could have told us in advance and we may have elected to decline the takeoff clearance. Corrective. With TCASII reliability as it is, I almost always follow a TCASII 'RA' immediately unless traffic spotted, known, or other special consideration. Airspace use by joint civil military high performance aircraft where TCASII is involved needs to be reevaluated. Tus tower said all legal separation criteria were met and I can believe that, but that is not good enough. Nobody should be forced out of a takeoff profile below 1000 ft by a TCASII 'RA' with legal separation criteria being met. Criteria must be changed. Finally, I question the judgement of the military pilot operating VFR that close to a transport jet, inexcusable!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF MLG DEPARTING TUS HAD TCASII RA ON MIL ACFT MAKING AN OVERHEAD BREAK PREPATORY TO LNDG AT TUS.
Narrative: AT APPROX 800 FT ON TKOF, TCASII CALLS IN RAPID SUCCESSION TFC, TFC, MONITOR VERT SPD, REDUCE CLB, REDUCE CLB. CLB RATE WAS REDUCED IAW TCASII CALLS AND TCASII DOWNGRADED. I BELIEVE I HAD A FALSE TCASII 'RA' UNTIL ABOUT 4-5 SECONDS LATER, WHEN BOTH THE FO AND I SAW A MIL JET ABOUT 700 FT OFF OUR R WING IN A BREAK (R OVERHEAD) MANEUVER AT A HIGH BANK ANGLE. I WAS UPSET THAT THE PLT OF THE MIL JET CHOSE TO FLY SO CLOSE TO A TRANSPORT CATEGORY JET. TUS TWR COULD HAVE TOLD US IN ADVANCE AND WE MAY HAVE ELECTED TO DECLINE THE TKOF CLRNC. CORRECTIVE. WITH TCASII RELIABILITY AS IT IS, I ALMOST ALWAYS FOLLOW A TCASII 'RA' IMMEDIATELY UNLESS TFC SPOTTED, KNOWN, OR OTHER SPECIAL CONSIDERATION. AIRSPACE USE BY JOINT CIVIL MIL HIGH PERFORMANCE ACFT WHERE TCASII IS INVOLVED NEEDS TO BE REEVALUATED. TUS TWR SAID ALL LEGAL SEPARATION CRITERIA WERE MET AND I CAN BELIEVE THAT, BUT THAT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. NOBODY SHOULD BE FORCED OUT OF A TKOF PROFILE BELOW 1000 FT BY A TCASII 'RA' WITH LEGAL SEPARATION CRITERIA BEING MET. CRITERIA MUST BE CHANGED. FINALLY, I QUESTION THE JUDGEMENT OF THE MIL PLT OPERATING VFR THAT CLOSE TO A TRANSPORT JET, INEXCUSABLE!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.