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Flight crew attempting adjust total passenger weight asked cabin attendant how many children aboard -- at one half adult weight. Cabin attendant said 2. Weight and balance prepared and flight completed. At destination no children on board but cabin attendant advised 2 adults acted like children.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 190996 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199110 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : clt |
| State Reference | NC |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 4000 |
| ASRS Report | 190996 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence other other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
The captain calculated gross weight of aircraft. Flight was full so jump seat only available. Using all adult weight, jump rider could have put us overweight by 30 pounds. Gross weight is 27100 so we may use child weight which is 1/2 of adult. So we could carry jump seat rider when we can. So asked flight attendant if any children and she said we had 2 children on board. Adjusted paperwork and off we went. On arrival at destination asked flight attendant where were the 2 kids. She replied 'oh they were acting like kids.' briefed flight attendant why we asked her kid weights not their behavior of adults. What I asked for and what she thought I said were 2 very different things.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC ATTEMPTING ADJUST TOTAL PAX WT ASKED CAB HOW MANY CHILDREN ABOARD -- AT ONE HALF ADULT WEIGHT. CAB SAID 2. WT AND BAL PREPARED AND FLT COMPLETED. AT DEST NO CHILDREN ON BOARD BUT CAB ADVISED 2 ADULTS ACTED LIKE CHILDREN.
Narrative: THE CAPT CALCULATED GROSS WT OF ACFT. FLT WAS FULL SO JUMP SEAT ONLY AVAILABLE. USING ALL ADULT WT, JUMP RIDER COULD HAVE PUT US OVERWT BY 30 POUNDS. GROSS WT IS 27100 SO WE MAY USE CHILD WT WHICH IS 1/2 OF ADULT. SO WE COULD CARRY JUMP SEAT RIDER WHEN WE CAN. SO ASKED FLT ATTENDANT IF ANY CHILDREN AND SHE SAID WE HAD 2 CHILDREN ON BOARD. ADJUSTED PAPERWORK AND OFF WE WENT. ON ARR AT DEST ASKED FLT ATTENDANT WHERE WERE THE 2 KIDS. SHE REPLIED 'OH THEY WERE ACTING LIKE KIDS.' BRIEFED FLT ATTENDANT WHY WE ASKED HER KID WEIGHTS NOT THEIR BEHAVIOR OF ADULTS. WHAT I ASKED FOR AND WHAT SHE THOUGHT I SAID WERE 2 VERY DIFFERENT THINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.