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Attributes | |
ACN | 191785 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : pub |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 38400 msl bound upper : 39000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 115 flight time total : 7700 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 191785 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 25000 |
ASRS Report | 191786 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : far non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted none taken : unable |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 1400 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
At approximately 100 mi east of pueblo, co, on J64 we requested and were cleared to climb from FL350 to FL390. After initiating climb, ATC asked that we be level at FL390 in 6 mins. In order to level at FL390 within the 6 mins the indicated mach decreased from normal .830 to approximately .774. The captain determined that our speed was too slow and initiated a gentle descent with maximum continuous thrust still engaged. At approximately FL387.5 I indicated that we needed to level off and the captain leveled at approximately FL387. ATC requested a verification of or altitude and I informed ATC that we were at FL387 and would be attempting to climb back to FL390. Before initiating a very slow climb (approximately 100-300 FPM climb) the aircraft had descended to approximately FL385. During our climb back to FL390 ATC reported crossing traffic at FL370 and that, at XX30Z, we had a possible altitude deviation and should call the den center manager on arrival at destination. This incident occurred because of a lack of communication between the captain and myself and between our aircraft and ATC. I assumed, in error, that the captain would only descend 200-250 ft to build sps. We should have discussed what he intended to do and determined that ATC clearance or an emergency declaration was necessary to return the aircraft to normal speed and altitude. Supplemental information from acn 191786. We reached FL390 and I noticed our speed at mach .774 and decaying (I had been distraction by a flight attendant asking about our locale). I announced to the copilot 'I have the aircraft' and eased the nose over to regain airspeed. ATC called and notified us of an altitude deviation and that I should contact denver center by phone.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALT DEV ALT EXCURSION CREATES A POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH OPPOSITE DIRECTION TFC LTSS.
Narrative: AT APPROX 100 MI E OF PUEBLO, CO, ON J64 WE REQUESTED AND WERE CLRED TO CLB FROM FL350 TO FL390. AFTER INITIATING CLB, ATC ASKED THAT WE BE LEVEL AT FL390 IN 6 MINS. IN ORDER TO LEVEL AT FL390 WITHIN THE 6 MINS THE INDICATED MACH DECREASED FROM NORMAL .830 TO APPROX .774. THE CAPT DETERMINED THAT OUR SPD WAS TOO SLOW AND INITIATED A GENTLE DSCNT WITH MAX CONTINUOUS THRUST STILL ENGAGED. AT APPROX FL387.5 I INDICATED THAT WE NEEDED TO LEVEL OFF AND THE CAPT LEVELED AT APPROX FL387. ATC REQUESTED A VERIFICATION OF OR ALT AND I INFORMED ATC THAT WE WERE AT FL387 AND WOULD BE ATTEMPTING TO CLB BACK TO FL390. BEFORE INITIATING A VERY SLOW CLB (APPROX 100-300 FPM CLB) THE ACFT HAD DSNDED TO APPROX FL385. DURING OUR CLB BACK TO FL390 ATC RPTED XING TFC AT FL370 AND THAT, AT XX30Z, WE HAD A POSSIBLE ALT DEV AND SHOULD CALL THE DEN CENTER MGR ON ARR AT DEST. THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED BECAUSE OF A LACK OF COM BTWN THE CAPT AND MYSELF AND BTWN OUR ACFT AND ATC. I ASSUMED, IN ERROR, THAT THE CAPT WOULD ONLY DSND 200-250 FT TO BUILD SPS. WE SHOULD HAVE DISCUSSED WHAT HE INTENDED TO DO AND DETERMINED THAT ATC CLRNC OR AN EMER DECLARATION WAS NECESSARY TO RETURN THE ACFT TO NORMAL SPD AND ALT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 191786. WE REACHED FL390 AND I NOTICED OUR SPD AT MACH .774 AND DECAYING (I HAD BEEN DISTR BY A FLT ATTENDANT ASKING ABOUT OUR LOCALE). I ANNOUNCED TO THE COPLT 'I HAVE THE ACFT' AND EASED THE NOSE OVER TO REGAIN AIRSPD. ATC CALLED AND NOTIFIED US OF AN ALT DEV AND THAT I SHOULD CONTACT DENVER CENTER BY PHONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.