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Attributes | |
ACN | 191829 |
Time | |
Date | 199110 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 191829 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Situation: parallel visual or IFR approachs with a strong crosswind aloft relative to the surface wind and final approach course. I have noticed aircraft from the upwind side frequently drift past their proper ground track into the area of the parallel approach before figuring out the crosswind and corrective embarrassing in VMC and a possible disaster in IMC. Some controllers will offer the winds at 2000 ft or some other suggestion or hint. Others say nothing or offer headings to correct after the fact. My recommendation is that these conditions always be reported either by the ATIS or on initial contact with approach control. An example of this situation was at minneapolis, mn. Almost all day on xx it was VMC. Surface wind 150-180 about 15 KTS. Wind at 3000 ft was approximately 250 40-50 KTS. Parallel visual approachs to 11L and 11R.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR CONCERNED REF ACFT DRIFTING OFF RWY ALIGNMENT DURING PARALLEL APCHS.
Narrative: SITUATION: PARALLEL VISUAL OR IFR APCHS WITH A STRONG XWIND ALOFT RELATIVE TO THE SURFACE WIND AND FINAL APCH COURSE. I HAVE NOTICED ACFT FROM THE UPWIND SIDE FREQUENTLY DRIFT PAST THEIR PROPER GND TRACK INTO THE AREA OF THE PARALLEL APCH BEFORE FIGURING OUT THE XWIND AND CORRECTIVE EMBARRASSING IN VMC AND A POSSIBLE DISASTER IN IMC. SOME CTLRS WILL OFFER THE WINDS AT 2000 FT OR SOME OTHER SUGGESTION OR HINT. OTHERS SAY NOTHING OR OFFER HDGS TO CORRECT AFTER THE FACT. MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT THESE CONDITIONS ALWAYS BE RPTED EITHER BY THE ATIS OR ON INITIAL CONTACT WITH APCH CTL. AN EXAMPLE OF THIS SITUATION WAS AT MINNEAPOLIS, MN. ALMOST ALL DAY ON XX IT WAS VMC. SURFACE WIND 150-180 ABOUT 15 KTS. WIND AT 3000 FT WAS APPROX 250 40-50 KTS. PARALLEL VISUAL APCHS TO 11L AND 11R.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.