Air carrier widebody transport track heading deviation avoiding thunderstorm activity south of hnl.

Attributes
ACN	193959
Time
Date	199111
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	0001 To 0600
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : hnl
State Reference	HI
Altitude	msl bound lower : 23000 msl bound upper : 23000
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zhn artcc : zoa
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng
Navigation In Use	Other
Flight Phase	climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other
Route In Use	enroute : other oceanic enroute : pacific enroute airway : g347 enroute other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : private pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 23600 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	193959
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance non adherence : far other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Approaching paddi intersection in climb FL230 approached line thunderstorm activity across airway (G347) extending east/west. Requested deviation up to 35 mi west of track account thunderstorms. Hnl center coordinating with oak ARTCC approved and handed off to en route radio 'call level and back on course.' approximately 30 NM west of airway radar indicated additional activity south of initial WX 'requiring' more deviation of 50 NM west of airway total. Immediately contacted hnl arinc and stated 'additional deviation 'required' of up to 50 NM west of airway' and commenced deviation immediately as required. Approximately 10 mins later arinc advised oak can only approve 30 NM west of airway account traffic, at which time I was 50 NM west of airway with deviation complete, turning towards course. Advised them of same and deviation was 'required.' response was 'roger.' when deviation is 'required' ATC should move traffic as necessary to provide separation standards! I'll gladly declare emergency to avoid unsafe conditions but this does not provide separation which is their job to do!

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR WDB TRACK HDG DEV AVOIDING TSTM ACTIVITY S OF HNL.

Narrative: APCHING PADDI INTXN IN CLB FL230 APCHED LINE TSTM ACTIVITY ACROSS AIRWAY (G347) EXTENDING E/W. REQUESTED DEV UP TO 35 MI W OF TRACK ACCOUNT TSTMS. HNL CENTER COORDINATING WITH OAK ARTCC APPROVED AND HANDED OFF TO ENRTE RADIO 'CALL LEVEL AND BACK ON COURSE.' APPROX 30 NM W OF AIRWAY RADAR INDICATED ADDITIONAL ACTIVITY S OF INITIAL WX 'REQUIRING' MORE DEV OF 50 NM W OF AIRWAY TOTAL. IMMEDIATELY CONTACTED HNL ARINC AND STATED 'ADDITIONAL DEV 'REQUIRED' OF UP TO 50 NM W OF AIRWAY' AND COMMENCED DEV IMMEDIATELY AS REQUIRED. APPROX 10 MINS LATER ARINC ADVISED OAK CAN ONLY APPROVE 30 NM W OF AIRWAY ACCOUNT TFC, AT WHICH TIME I WAS 50 NM W OF AIRWAY WITH DEV COMPLETE, TURNING TOWARDS COURSE. ADVISED THEM OF SAME AND DEV WAS 'REQUIRED.' RESPONSE WAS 'ROGER.' WHEN DEV IS 'REQUIRED' ATC SHOULD MOVE TFC AS NECESSARY TO PROVIDE SEPARATION STANDARDS! I'LL GLADLY DECLARE EMER TO AVOID UNSAFE CONDITIONS BUT THIS DOES NOT PROVIDE SEPARATION WHICH IS THEIR JOB TO DO!

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.