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Attributes | |
ACN | 194272 |
Time | |
Date | 199111 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : spi |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : spi |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 125 flight time total : 2600 flight time type : 900 |
ASRS Report | 194272 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
During departure from capital airport in springfield, il, (the home base of the crew and turbojet) I was the PF in the left seat and I was second in command. We were cleared by spi departure control to climb to 4000 ft and turn to 080 degree heading. At approximately 3000 ft MSL departure told us to climb to 6000 MSL and expedite! I immediately complied with maximum power and 10-15 degree deck angle. We were climbing at 4000-6000 FPM and passing through 4200 MSL with the high rate of climb requested by ATC, when we were told to maintain 4000 ft MSL. I responded immediately by reducing power and decreasing the deck angle and we were leveling at 5000 MSL while the PNF was trying to determine from ATC if we should continue to 6000 or go to 4000, because it became clear that there was a commuter descending through 5000 to 4000 that ATC was trying to separate us from. At this point we were just 'breaking out' of the clouds on top and saw the commuter go into the clouds about 4 mi from our position. We were then cleared to 6000. The only action that can prevent this type of occurrence is for air traffic controllers to be better briefed and have a better understanding of high performance turbojets. If ATC asks a turbojet to expedite to an altitude, they should expect anything from 3000-6000 FPM in climb performance when at low altitudes such as 4000 MSL.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLC OF CPR JET CLRED 6000 TO EXPEDITE, WENT INTO 4000 FPM CLB, AT 4200 MSL CLRED TO MAINTAIN 4000.
Narrative: DURING DEP FROM CAPITAL ARPT IN SPRINGFIELD, IL, (THE HOME BASE OF THE CREW AND TURBOJET) I WAS THE PF IN THE L SEAT AND I WAS SECOND IN COMMAND. WE WERE CLRED BY SPI DEP CTL TO CLB TO 4000 FT AND TURN TO 080 DEG HDG. AT APPROX 3000 FT MSL DEP TOLD US TO CLB TO 6000 MSL AND EXPEDITE! I IMMEDIATELY COMPLIED WITH MAX PWR AND 10-15 DEG DECK ANGLE. WE WERE CLBING AT 4000-6000 FPM AND PASSING THROUGH 4200 MSL WITH THE HIGH RATE OF CLB REQUESTED BY ATC, WHEN WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT MSL. I RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY BY REDUCING PWR AND DECREASING THE DECK ANGLE AND WE WERE LEVELING AT 5000 MSL WHILE THE PNF WAS TRYING TO DETERMINE FROM ATC IF WE SHOULD CONTINUE TO 6000 OR GO TO 4000, BECAUSE IT BECAME CLR THAT THERE WAS A COMMUTER DSNDING THROUGH 5000 TO 4000 THAT ATC WAS TRYING TO SEPARATE US FROM. AT THIS POINT WE WERE JUST 'BREAKING OUT' OF THE CLOUDS ON TOP AND SAW THE COMMUTER GO INTO THE CLOUDS ABOUT 4 MI FROM OUR POS. WE WERE THEN CLRED TO 6000. THE ONLY ACTION THAT CAN PREVENT THIS TYPE OF OCCURRENCE IS FOR AIR TFC CTLRS TO BE BETTER BRIEFED AND HAVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HIGH PERFORMANCE TURBOJETS. IF ATC ASKS A TURBOJET TO EXPEDITE TO AN ALT, THEY SHOULD EXPECT ANYTHING FROM 3000-6000 FPM IN CLB PERFORMANCE WHEN AT LOW ALTS SUCH AS 4000 MSL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.