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Attributes | |
ACN | 196983 |
Time | |
Date | 199112 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 10800 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 196983 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I work for a commuter carrier in dfw. There are 2 areas that need to be addressed and both involve interpretations of regulations by the company with the blessing of the principle operations inspector. On my IOE, I had to personally hand fly every leg. Well, ok I can handle the workload without problem, but as you well know flying training profiles is completely different from line flying. Without having the benefit of learning the actual 'line' duties of PNF. During IOE, pilots are lost as soon as they are passed from IOE. The training department says our principle says that pilots on IOE must fly every leg. Sorry, this doesn't allow for instruction in PNF duties! This interpretation is not in keeping with the spirit of the regulation. Next item is that fos under part 135 are not issued charts! No approach plates, no en route charts, no VFR charts, no nothing! Having just transferred from another domicile and not being familiar with this part of the country (as is the case with most of the new guys) I am completely lost. If the aircraft commander becomes incapacitate for any reason, then I would be completely lost. Company claims charts are on order but many feel that this is just a smoke screen and we're flying passengers around? No excuse for fos not to have appropriate navigation charts.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR ALLEGES PRINCIPLE FAA INSPECTOR FOR HIS COMMUTER AIRLINE INSISTS THAT INITIAL OPERATING EXPERIENCE FLTS FOR FOS BE TOTALLY FLOWN BY HAND. NO CHARTS ISSUED TO FOS ON THIS AIRLINE.
Narrative: I WORK FOR A COMMUTER CARRIER IN DFW. THERE ARE 2 AREAS THAT NEED TO BE ADDRESSED AND BOTH INVOLVE INTERPRETATIONS OF REGS BY THE COMPANY WITH THE BLESSING OF THE PRINCIPLE OPS INSPECTOR. ON MY IOE, I HAD TO PERSONALLY HAND FLY EVERY LEG. WELL, OK I CAN HANDLE THE WORKLOAD WITHOUT PROBLEM, BUT AS YOU WELL KNOW FLYING TRAINING PROFILES IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM LINE FLYING. WITHOUT HAVING THE BENEFIT OF LEARNING THE ACTUAL 'LINE' DUTIES OF PNF. DURING IOE, PLTS ARE LOST AS SOON AS THEY ARE PASSED FROM IOE. THE TRAINING DEPT SAYS OUR PRINCIPLE SAYS THAT PLTS ON IOE MUST FLY EVERY LEG. SORRY, THIS DOESN'T ALLOW FOR INSTRUCTION IN PNF DUTIES! THIS INTERPRETATION IS NOT IN KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE REG. NEXT ITEM IS THAT FOS UNDER PART 135 ARE NOT ISSUED CHARTS! NO APCH PLATES, NO ENRTE CHARTS, NO VFR CHARTS, NO NOTHING! HAVING JUST TRANSFERRED FROM ANOTHER DOMICILE AND NOT BEING FAMILIAR WITH THIS PART OF THE COUNTRY (AS IS THE CASE WITH MOST OF THE NEW GUYS) I AM COMPLETELY LOST. IF THE ACFT COMMANDER BECOMES INCAPACITATE FOR ANY REASON, THEN I WOULD BE COMPLETELY LOST. COMPANY CLAIMS CHARTS ARE ON ORDER BUT MANY FEEL THAT THIS IS JUST A SMOKE SCREEN AND WE'RE FLYING PAXS AROUND? NO EXCUSE FOR FOS NOT TO HAVE APPROPRIATE NAV CHARTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.