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Attributes | |
ACN | 197199 |
Time | |
Date | 199112 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cyn airport : phl |
State Reference | NJ |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 730 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 197199 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
When departing phl to the northeast the canned ATC clearance is ditch J225 jfk. After departure to the west departure gives you a turn to the southeast and clears you to join the cyn 274 degree radial then as filed. While the SID is correct (example #1) I think it would be easier to understand if the 274 degree radial line were extended (example #2). I think this change would make it easier to understand that you are expected to join the cyn 274 radial west of ditch then fly the cyn 274 radial inbound to ditch (094 degree inbound).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR SUGGESTS A CHANGE TO PHL 5 DEP CHART.
Narrative: WHEN DEPARTING PHL TO THE NE THE CANNED ATC CLRNC IS DITCH J225 JFK. AFTER DEP TO THE W DEP GIVES YOU A TURN TO THE SE AND CLRS YOU TO JOIN THE CYN 274 DEG RADIAL THEN AS FILED. WHILE THE SID IS CORRECT (EXAMPLE #1) I THINK IT WOULD BE EASIER TO UNDERSTAND IF THE 274 DEG RADIAL LINE WERE EXTENDED (EXAMPLE #2). I THINK THIS CHANGE WOULD MAKE IT EASIER TO UNDERSTAND THAT YOU ARE EXPECTED TO JOIN THE CYN 274 RADIAL W OF DITCH THEN FLY THE CYN 274 RADIAL INBOUND TO DITCH (094 DEG INBOUND).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.