Air carrier medium large transport forced into a go around from a non stabilized approach into msp.

Attributes
ACN	198826
Time
Date	199201
Day	Wed
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : msp
State Reference	MN
Altitude	msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Night
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : msp
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent : approach landing : go around
Route In Use	enroute : on vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 3600 flight time type : 1800
ASRS Report	198826
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	other
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

Approach was normal. On vector to final, ILS 29R given heading 270, 3 mi from bonna, maintain 4000 to bonna, 170 to jacko, cleared ILS 29R, tower at jacko. As we turned the localizer became active, but at 4000 ft the GS was full scale down. Since the ILS 29R has no DME, this was in conflict with ATC call of outside bonna, where the GS should be above. We checked idents again (both good) then switched to msp VOR for DME. It was 7.1 leaving us well inside bonna. We had to use excessive descent rates and speed to get down, which put us too close to traffic ahead of us, forcing a missed approach (which always scares the bejesus out of the passenger)! I believe the final turn put us well inside bonna, not 3 mi from. That, plus no DME on the ILS forced us to maintain 4000 ft until we were sure of our position, resulting in a lousy approach, and forced missed approach.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG FORCED INTO A GAR FROM A NON STABILIZED APCH INTO MSP.

Narrative: APCH WAS NORMAL. ON VECTOR TO FINAL, ILS 29R GIVEN HDG 270, 3 MI FROM BONNA, MAINTAIN 4000 TO BONNA, 170 TO JACKO, CLRED ILS 29R, TWR AT JACKO. AS WE TURNED THE LOC BECAME ACTIVE, BUT AT 4000 FT THE GS WAS FULL SCALE DOWN. SINCE THE ILS 29R HAS NO DME, THIS WAS IN CONFLICT WITH ATC CALL OF OUTSIDE BONNA, WHERE THE GS SHOULD BE ABOVE. WE CHKED IDENTS AGAIN (BOTH GOOD) THEN SWITCHED TO MSP VOR FOR DME. IT WAS 7.1 LEAVING US WELL INSIDE BONNA. WE HAD TO USE EXCESSIVE DSCNT RATES AND SPD TO GET DOWN, WHICH PUT US TOO CLOSE TO TFC AHEAD OF US, FORCING A MISSED APCH (WHICH ALWAYS SCARES THE BEJESUS OUT OF THE PAX)! I BELIEVE THE FINAL TURN PUT US WELL INSIDE BONNA, NOT 3 MI FROM. THAT, PLUS NO DME ON THE ILS FORCED US TO MAINTAIN 4000 FT UNTIL WE WERE SURE OF OUR POS, RESULTING IN A LOUSY APCH, AND FORCED MISSED APCH.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.