Air carrier medium large transport reporter complains about ATCT ground controller handling and ATCT...

Attributes
ACN	199693
Time
Date	199201
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hpn
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	Mixed
Light	Dawn
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : cle
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	ground other : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 7000
ASRS Report	199693
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : anomaly accepted
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	other

Narrative:

I operated flight from hpn on jan/xx/92. Our ACARS showed our doors closed at XA59L. After being cleared to taxi to runway 16 we were called by ground and she advised us that our new departure time would be XB18L. I promptly shut down an engine to conserve fuel as we continued toward runway 16. I had no more than shut down the engine and she called again and revised the takeoff time to XB05L, I initiated procedures to restart and run all required checklist items as expeditiously as possible. We switched over to the tower frequency and advised that we were ready for takeoff. We were lectured by the tower controller that the ground controller had been looking for us for 5 mins and that we should request permission to go off the frequency. I find it interesting that ground had been looking for us for 5 mins when we had been talking to her for 6 mins. We pushed at XA59L and were ready for takeoff at XB05L. That 6 mins included a call to push, a call to taxi, a revised takeoff time, and revised- revised takeoff time and a lecture form tower.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG RPTR COMPLAINS ABOUT ATCT GND CTLR HANDLING AND ATCT LCL REMARKS WHILE TAXIING OUT AT HPN.

Narrative: I OPERATED FLT FROM HPN ON JAN/XX/92. OUR ACARS SHOWED OUR DOORS CLOSED AT XA59L. AFTER BEING CLRED TO TAXI TO RWY 16 WE WERE CALLED BY GND AND SHE ADVISED US THAT OUR NEW DEP TIME WOULD BE XB18L. I PROMPTLY SHUT DOWN AN ENG TO CONSERVE FUEL AS WE CONTINUED TOWARD RWY 16. I HAD NO MORE THAN SHUT DOWN THE ENG AND SHE CALLED AGAIN AND REVISED THE TKOF TIME TO XB05L, I INITIATED PROCS TO RESTART AND RUN ALL REQUIRED CHKLIST ITEMS AS EXPEDITIOUSLY AS POSSIBLE. WE SWITCHED OVER TO THE TWR FREQ AND ADVISED THAT WE WERE READY FOR TKOF. WE WERE LECTURED BY THE TWR CTLR THAT THE GND CTLR HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR US FOR 5 MINS AND THAT WE SHOULD REQUEST PERMISSION TO GO OFF THE FREQ. I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT GND HAD BEEN LOOKING FOR US FOR 5 MINS WHEN WE HAD BEEN TALKING TO HER FOR 6 MINS. WE PUSHED AT XA59L AND WERE READY FOR TKOF AT XB05L. THAT 6 MINS INCLUDED A CALL TO PUSH, A CALL TO TAXI, A REVISED TKOF TIME, AND REVISED- REVISED TKOF TIME AND A LECTURE FORM TWR.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Air carrier medium large transport reporter complains about ATCT ground controller handling and ATCT local remarks while taxiing out at hpn.