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Attributes | |
ACN | 200208 |
Time | |
Date | 199201 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : bur |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4700 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : bur |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 18900 flight time type : 7200 |
ASRS Report | 200208 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
We were on a vector for the ILS 8 approach at burbank airport. Our next instruction was 'cleared for the approach turn left to a heading of 110 degrees maintain 5000 ft until joining the localizer'. After joining the localizer and intercepting the GS, we started our descent. Within seconds we noticed an aircraft below us at our 1 O'clock position northbound. We started a level off just as approach said 'maintain 5000 ft traffic, an small transport, at 12 O'clock, 1 mi at 4000 ft'. Our descent was stopped at 4700 ft. Was it readback/hearback? Or was it controller error? I don't know! I believe the controller was working three positions at once, ground, tower and approach control. Also, there is the possibility that by mutual agreement we (the pilots) cleared ourselves for the approach. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states when the flight crew called after landing, they were told the controller 'screwed up' and forgot the other aircraft. No problem for flight crew.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CLRED FOR APCH SIGHTS TFC 1 O'CLOCK AS THEY START DSCNT. QUICKLY LEVEL OFF THE AVOID.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A VECTOR FOR THE ILS 8 APCH AT BURBANK ARPT. OUR NEXT INSTRUCTION WAS 'CLRED FOR THE APCH TURN L TO A HDG OF 110 DEGS MAINTAIN 5000 FT UNTIL JOINING THE LOC'. AFTER JOINING THE LOC AND INTERCEPTING THE GS, WE STARTED OUR DSCNT. WITHIN SECONDS WE NOTICED AN ACFT BELOW US AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS NBOUND. WE STARTED A LEVEL OFF JUST AS APCH SAID 'MAINTAIN 5000 FT TFC, AN SMT, AT 12 O'CLOCK, 1 MI AT 4000 FT'. OUR DSCNT WAS STOPPED AT 4700 FT. WAS IT READBACK/HEARBACK? OR WAS IT CTLR ERROR? I DON'T KNOW! I BELIEVE THE CTLR WAS WORKING THREE POSITIONS AT ONCE, GND, TWR AND APCH CTL. ALSO, THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY THAT BY MUTUAL AGREEMENT WE (THE PLTS) CLRED OURSELVES FOR THE APCH. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES WHEN THE FLC CALLED AFTER LNDG, THEY WERE TOLD THE CTLR 'SCREWED UP' AND FORGOT THE OTHER ACFT. NO PROBLEM FOR FLC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.