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Attributes | |
ACN | 201781 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : roa |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 201781 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
This was the 4TH day of a long trip. 15 segments had been flown prior to the problem at roa. Flight was dispatched from iad-roa-ord. Dispatch showed 3600 pounds burn iad-roa. 11000 pounds min fuel and 16000 pounds recomended. 16000 pounds fuel on board at iad. On flight to roa WX was near min for ILS approach, we shot that approach and missed as WX had gone down below min. We then went out to shot the lda 6 approach which has lower min. Successful this time however we used the extra fuel and time to fly the approach. The release roa- ord showed 9000 burn and 12000 min we had aircraft fuel brought up to 12000 pounds. Flight departed and climbed to cruise at 28000 ft. After leveling off at altitude and being vectored for entrail spacing to ord I noticed the fuel remaining and thought that was too low for the time and distance plus reserve needed to complete the flight. On recomputing the fuel I found that an error had been made in that we did not have the 1800 pounds for our alternate at mke. We were not in a min fuel situation at this time however we did not have enough to fly to ord miss and fly to our alternate at mke. WX at ord was 1600 overcast and 6F. Runways 27 left and right and 22 right were in use and no delay were expected. I decided to continue to ord. We landed at ord with 4000 pounds of fuel remaining. 3000 pounds would be min fuel. Two dispatchers and two pilots read and confirmed the fuel amount and none of us caught the error of not including the alternate fuel that was required for this flight. Next time add all the numbers!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR DEPARTS WITHOUT ALTERNATE FUEL REQUIRED FOR FLT.
Narrative: THIS WAS THE 4TH DAY OF A LONG TRIP. 15 SEGMENTS HAD BEEN FLOWN PRIOR TO THE PROBLEM AT ROA. FLT WAS DISPATCHED FROM IAD-ROA-ORD. DISPATCH SHOWED 3600 LBS BURN IAD-ROA. 11000 LBS MIN FUEL AND 16000 LBS RECOMENDED. 16000 LBS FUEL ON BOARD AT IAD. ON FLT TO ROA WX WAS NEAR MIN FOR ILS APCH, WE SHOT THAT APCH AND MISSED AS WX HAD GONE DOWN BELOW MIN. WE THEN WENT OUT TO SHOT THE LDA 6 APCH WHICH HAS LOWER MIN. SUCCESSFUL THIS TIME HOWEVER WE USED THE EXTRA FUEL AND TIME TO FLY THE APCH. THE RELEASE ROA- ORD SHOWED 9000 BURN AND 12000 MIN WE HAD ACFT FUEL BROUGHT UP TO 12000 LBS. FLT DEPARTED AND CLBED TO CRUISE AT 28000 FT. AFTER LEVELING OFF AT ALT AND BEING VECTORED FOR ENTRAIL SPACING TO ORD I NOTICED THE FUEL REMAINING AND THOUGHT THAT WAS TOO LOW FOR THE TIME AND DISTANCE PLUS RESERVE NEEDED TO COMPLETE THE FLT. ON RECOMPUTING THE FUEL I FOUND THAT AN ERROR HAD BEEN MADE IN THAT WE DID NOT HAVE THE 1800 LBS FOR OUR ALTERNATE AT MKE. WE WERE NOT IN A MIN FUEL SITUATION AT THIS TIME HOWEVER WE DID NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO FLY TO ORD MISS AND FLY TO OUR ALTERNATE AT MKE. WX AT ORD WAS 1600 OVCST AND 6F. RUNWAYS 27 L AND R AND 22 R WERE IN USE AND NO DELAY WERE EXPECTED. I DECIDED TO CONTINUE TO ORD. WE LANDED AT ORD WITH 4000 LBS OF FUEL REMAINING. 3000 LBS WOULD BE MIN FUEL. TWO DISPATCHERS AND TWO PLTS READ AND CONFIRMED THE FUEL AMOUNT AND NONE OF US CAUGHT THE ERROR OF NOT INCLUDING THE ALTERNATE FUEL THAT WAS REQUIRED FOR THIS FLT. NEXT TIME ADD ALL THE NUMBERS!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.