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Attributes | |
ACN | 201917 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : tys |
State Reference | TN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 3200 |
ASRS Report | 201917 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | other personnel other |
Qualification | other other : other |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I took my ATP chkride on 10/sat/91 and was issued a temporary certificate on that date. At the time I considered that 120 days (the valid period of the temporary as stated on the back) to be basically 6 months. On 2/92 while pulling out a credit card I saw the temporary certificate in my wallet and realized that the time was probably about up. Calculations revealed that my temporary certificate had expired on 2/X/92. Knowing that I was scheduled to fly again on 2/X+5 I called the FSDO to get a field extension. They advised me that the temporary was good till the end of the sixth month. Just to cover myself I asked them to send a letter to that effect to my company. They said they couldn't do that but that they would issue me a new temporary (they did). I'm still a little uneasy over the situation because of the FSDO's reluctance to verify the validity of the original temporary. I have not told anyone about the trips I made but the information is in the company records and even my own logbook for any investigator with the initiative to dig it out. I consider the length of time between the event (chkride) and the need for action (see if the permanent license has arrived) as a setup that makes it very likely that the action will get overlooked. It was my honest intention to count up the time and mark it on the calendar but I didn't have a 1992 calendar in 10/91. Be december, I had forgotten it. Remark: how the devil can it possibly take 6 months to move 2 pieces of paper across a desk?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR CAPT FLEW WITH EXPIRED TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE.
Narrative: I TOOK MY ATP CHKRIDE ON 10/SAT/91 AND WAS ISSUED A TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE ON THAT DATE. AT THE TIME I CONSIDERED THAT 120 DAYS (THE VALID PERIOD OF THE TEMPORARY AS STATED ON THE BACK) TO BE BASICALLY 6 MONTHS. ON 2/92 WHILE PULLING OUT A CREDIT CARD I SAW THE TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE IN MY WALLET AND REALIZED THAT THE TIME WAS PROBABLY ABOUT UP. CALCULATIONS REVEALED THAT MY TEMPORARY CERTIFICATE HAD EXPIRED ON 2/X/92. KNOWING THAT I WAS SCHEDULED TO FLY AGAIN ON 2/X+5 I CALLED THE FSDO TO GET A FIELD EXTENSION. THEY ADVISED ME THAT THE TEMPORARY WAS GOOD TILL THE END OF THE SIXTH MONTH. JUST TO COVER MYSELF I ASKED THEM TO SEND A LETTER TO THAT EFFECT TO MY COMPANY. THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T DO THAT BUT THAT THEY WOULD ISSUE ME A NEW TEMPORARY (THEY DID). I'M STILL A LITTLE UNEASY OVER THE SITUATION BECAUSE OF THE FSDO'S RELUCTANCE TO VERIFY THE VALIDITY OF THE ORIGINAL TEMPORARY. I HAVE NOT TOLD ANYONE ABOUT THE TRIPS I MADE BUT THE INFO IS IN THE COMPANY RECORDS AND EVEN MY OWN LOGBOOK FOR ANY INVESTIGATOR WITH THE INITIATIVE TO DIG IT OUT. I CONSIDER THE LENGTH OF TIME BTWN THE EVENT (CHKRIDE) AND THE NEED FOR ACTION (SEE IF THE PERMANENT LICENSE HAS ARRIVED) AS A SETUP THAT MAKES IT VERY LIKELY THAT THE ACTION WILL GET OVERLOOKED. IT WAS MY HONEST INTENTION TO COUNT UP THE TIME AND MARK IT ON THE CALENDAR BUT I DIDN'T HAVE A 1992 CALENDAR IN 10/91. BE DECEMBER, I HAD FORGOTTEN IT. REMARK: HOW THE DEVIL CAN IT POSSIBLY TAKE 6 MONTHS TO MOVE 2 PIECES OF PAPER ACROSS A DESK?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.