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Attributes | |
ACN | 202390 |
Time | |
Date | 199202 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14800 flight time type : 8500 |
ASRS Report | 202390 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 23000 flight time type : 400 |
ASRS Report | 202399 |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : landing without clearance non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : insufficient time |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
First approach resulted in go around at 500 ft above ground when we had not caught GS and still in cloud and fast. Inexperienced captain slow and late executing procedures and preparing aircraft. Also, controller brought us in close and high. Second approach after multiple frequency changes was near duplicate of first with final clearance from approach control containing a turn, intercept, altitude to maintain, speed to hold to marker, approach clearance, other remarks and finally directions to contact tower at OM. Copilot's responsibility to make OM report. I was distracted watching captain's actions and checklists. Frequency change to tower not made and no tower clearance received although both pilots thought we remembered receiving clearance to land, possibly from approach. I should have taken a more active role to alert captain that earlier preparation of the aircraft was needed (dscnts, slowing, flaps, etc).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR VECTORED HIGH ON APCH, GAR. SAME PROBLEM SECOND TRY BUT SALVAGE APCH, EXCEPT FOR LNDG WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: FIRST APCH RESULTED IN GAR AT 500 FT ABOVE GND WHEN WE HAD NOT CAUGHT GS AND STILL IN CLOUD AND FAST. INEXPERIENCED CAPT SLOW AND LATE EXECUTING PROCS AND PREPARING ACFT. ALSO, CTLR BROUGHT US IN CLOSE AND HIGH. SECOND APCH AFTER MULTIPLE FREQ CHANGES WAS NEAR DUPLICATE OF FIRST WITH FINAL CLRNC FROM APCH CTL CONTAINING A TURN, INTERCEPT, ALT TO MAINTAIN, SPD TO HOLD TO MARKER, APCH CLRNC, OTHER REMARKS AND FINALLY DIRECTIONS TO CONTACT TWR AT OM. COPLT'S RESPONSIBILITY TO MAKE OM RPT. I WAS DISTRACTED WATCHING CAPT'S ACTIONS AND CHKLISTS. FREQ CHANGE TO TWR NOT MADE AND NO TWR CLRNC RECEIVED ALTHOUGH BOTH PLTS THOUGHT WE REMEMBERED RECEIVING CLRNC TO LAND, POSSIBLY FROM APCH. I SHOULD HAVE TAKEN A MORE ACTIVE ROLE TO ALERT CAPT THAT EARLIER PREPARATION OF THE ACFT WAS NEEDED (DSCNTS, SLOWING, FLAPS, ETC).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.