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Attributes | |
ACN | 204086 |
Time | |
Date | 199203 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : bih airport : mmh |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 16000 msl bound upper : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zoa |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 138 flight time total : 1440 flight time type : 290 |
ASRS Report | 204086 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overcame equipment problem other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
With the captain flying, we had begun a descent for mammoth lakes airport leaving FL220 for 16000. As we crossed through FL180, I called ZOA and advised them that we had the valley in sight and were cancelling IFR. The response we heard was 'roger.' this seemed to us to be an unusual response, but one we had heard in the past. Our airline operates up to 4 flts a day to mammoth. Before we had a chance to question the response we were alerted to both the left and right environmental fail annunciators and the master warning. Our bleed air pressure had dropped to near 0 at flight idle due to frozen valves on the bleed air system (cause is not known at this time by myself). We continued our descent with enough power to maintain adequate bleed pressure and landed without further problems. As we descended and the air rose above freezing, the problem disappeared. We went into the terminal after unloading passenger and baggage, and were told that ZOA had called wanting to know if we had arrived. We called center and told them we had received acknowledgement of our transmission. They said thank you and the conversation ended. On our return leg we began thinking that the reason for the unusual response was that our transmission had been blocked by another aircraft in that area at that altitude. Sometimes our xmissions are very weak and easily blocked without the usual feedback.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR LTT ACFT FLC'S RADIO TRANSMISSION REQUESTING CANCELLATION OF IFR FLT PLAN IN A REMOTE AREA WAS NOT HEARD BY ARTCC.
Narrative: WITH THE CAPT FLYING, WE HAD BEGUN A DSCNT FOR MAMMOTH LAKES ARPT LEAVING FL220 FOR 16000. AS WE CROSSED THROUGH FL180, I CALLED ZOA AND ADVISED THEM THAT WE HAD THE VALLEY IN SIGHT AND WERE CANCELLING IFR. THE RESPONSE WE HEARD WAS 'ROGER.' THIS SEEMED TO US TO BE AN UNUSUAL RESPONSE, BUT ONE WE HAD HEARD IN THE PAST. OUR AIRLINE OPERATES UP TO 4 FLTS A DAY TO MAMMOTH. BEFORE WE HAD A CHANCE TO QUESTION THE RESPONSE WE WERE ALERTED TO BOTH THE L AND R ENVIRONMENTAL FAIL ANNUNCIATORS AND THE MASTER WARNING. OUR BLEED AIR PRESSURE HAD DROPPED TO NEAR 0 AT FLT IDLE DUE TO FROZEN VALVES ON THE BLEED AIR SYS (CAUSE IS NOT KNOWN AT THIS TIME BY MYSELF). WE CONTINUED OUR DSCNT WITH ENOUGH PWR TO MAINTAIN ADEQUATE BLEED PRESSURE AND LANDED WITHOUT FURTHER PROBLEMS. AS WE DSNDED AND THE AIR ROSE ABOVE FREEZING, THE PROBLEM DISAPPEARED. WE WENT INTO THE TERMINAL AFTER UNLOADING PAX AND BAGGAGE, AND WERE TOLD THAT ZOA HAD CALLED WANTING TO KNOW IF WE HAD ARRIVED. WE CALLED CTR AND TOLD THEM WE HAD RECEIVED ACKNOWLEDGEMENT OF OUR XMISSION. THEY SAID THANK YOU AND THE CONVERSATION ENDED. ON OUR RETURN LEG WE BEGAN THINKING THAT THE REASON FOR THE UNUSUAL RESPONSE WAS THAT OUR XMISSION HAD BEEN BLOCKED BY ANOTHER ACFT IN THAT AREA AT THAT ALT. SOMETIMES OUR XMISSIONS ARE VERY WEAK AND EASILY BLOCKED WITHOUT THE USUAL FEEDBACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.