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Attributes | |
ACN | 205758 |
Time | |
Date | 199203 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mci |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2600 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mci |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | approach : straight in enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain observation : company check pilot oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 205758 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Clearance to maintain 2600 ft and heading to intercept 1L localizer. First officer flying and high. Instructed first officer to lower gear and use speed brakes to get down and set up early for approach. After intercept, first officer descended to 2000 ft (still below GS). I instructed him to level at 2000 ft and stay there until intercepting the GS. This altitude activated a 'low altitude alert.' advised tower of situation and continued normal approach and landing. First officer was new and returning from over 80 days off occupational injury. He needed 3 lndgs and refresher. Captain/line check airman back from 3 week vacation. Both of us were alert, but rusty. It was a busy approach and there were several distrs which contributed to descent below 2000 ft, however, I am familiar with mc and felt it made more sense to stay at 2000 ft rather than overload the first officer more with a climb back to 2600 ft. In retrospect it would have made more sense for me to fly the first leg (which I suggested), but since we were only going to have 4 legs and the first officer seemed very confident I acquiesced. More subtle, but probably a factor was the urge to accomplish the mission within the 4 leg constraint. With the exception of this lapse the first officer was very capable.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ALTDEV ALT OVERSHOT IN DSCNT DURING APCH PROC.
Narrative: CLRNC TO MAINTAIN 2600 FT AND HDG TO INTERCEPT 1L LOC. FO FLYING AND HIGH. INSTRUCTED FO TO LOWER GEAR AND USE SPD BRAKES TO GET DOWN AND SET UP EARLY FOR APCH. AFTER INTERCEPT, FO DSNDED TO 2000 FT (STILL BELOW GS). I INSTRUCTED HIM TO LEVEL AT 2000 FT AND STAY THERE UNTIL INTERCEPTING THE GS. THIS ALT ACTIVATED A 'LOW ALT ALERT.' ADVISED TWR OF SITUATION AND CONTINUED NORMAL APCH AND LNDG. FO WAS NEW AND RETURNING FROM OVER 80 DAYS OFF OCCUPATIONAL INJURY. HE NEEDED 3 LNDGS AND REFRESHER. CAPT/LINE CHK AIRMAN BACK FROM 3 WK VACATION. BOTH OF US WERE ALERT, BUT RUSTY. IT WAS A BUSY APCH AND THERE WERE SEVERAL DISTRS WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO DSCNT BELOW 2000 FT, HOWEVER, I AM FAMILIAR WITH MC AND FELT IT MADE MORE SENSE TO STAY AT 2000 FT RATHER THAN OVERLOAD THE FO MORE WITH A CLB BACK TO 2600 FT. IN RETROSPECT IT WOULD HAVE MADE MORE SENSE FOR ME TO FLY THE FIRST LEG (WHICH I SUGGESTED), BUT SINCE WE WERE ONLY GOING TO HAVE 4 LEGS AND THE FO SEEMED VERY CONFIDENT I ACQUIESCED. MORE SUBTLE, BUT PROBABLY A FACTOR WAS THE URGE TO ACCOMPLISH THE MISSION WITHIN THE 4 LEG CONSTRAINT. WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THIS LAPSE THE FO WAS VERY CAPABLE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.