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Attributes | |
ACN | 205846 |
Time | |
Date | 199203 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : oak airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : oak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 205846 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were proceeding inbound on the big sur arrival. Approach requested that we let them know when we had the airport insight. When we called sfo in sight, we were cleared the tipp toe 28L. Since our previous clearance had been to 6000 ft, and the tipp toe indicates a min altitude at menlo of 4000 ft, we reset the altitude in the autoplt to 4000 ft and advised approach of our intentions to continue descent to 4000 ft. Approach acknowledged our call. A moment later, I referenced the TCA chart and noted that the floor of the TCA was 6000 ft until 20 NM of sfo. When I referred to the sfo DME, we were 5300 MSL at 16 NM. With a normal profile, we should have remained above the floor of the TCA as we descended through 6000 ft, but since I was late checking - I'm not certain. Although the TCA chart is clear enough, transitioning from the big sur arrival to the tipp toe visual 28L procedure, the point at which you can legally descend from 6000 ft to 4000 ft is ambiguous without having 3 different charts out. This is at a time where our attention should be primarily outside the cockpit instead of cross referencing charts. An additional notation on the tipp toe 28L chart showing the TCA floor changing from 6000 ft to 4000 ft along the oak 151 degree radial would be beneficial.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR ARR IS ISSUED A DSCNT TO 4000 FT AND MOMENTARILY DROPS BELOW THE TCA BASE.
Narrative: WE WERE PROCEEDING INBOUND ON THE BIG SUR ARR. APCH REQUESTED THAT WE LET THEM KNOW WHEN WE HAD THE ARPT INSIGHT. WHEN WE CALLED SFO IN SIGHT, WE WERE CLRED THE TIPP TOE 28L. SINCE OUR PREVIOUS CLRNC HAD BEEN TO 6000 FT, AND THE TIPP TOE INDICATES A MIN ALT AT MENLO OF 4000 FT, WE RESET THE ALT IN THE AUTOPLT TO 4000 FT AND ADVISED APCH OF OUR INTENTIONS TO CONTINUE DSCNT TO 4000 FT. APCH ACKNOWLEDGED OUR CALL. A MOMENT LATER, I REFED THE TCA CHART AND NOTED THAT THE FLOOR OF THE TCA WAS 6000 FT UNTIL 20 NM OF SFO. WHEN I REFERRED TO THE SFO DME, WE WERE 5300 MSL AT 16 NM. WITH A NORMAL PROFILE, WE SHOULD HAVE REMAINED ABOVE THE FLOOR OF THE TCA AS WE DSNDED THROUGH 6000 FT, BUT SINCE I WAS LATE CHKING - I'M NOT CERTAIN. ALTHOUGH THE TCA CHART IS CLR ENOUGH, TRANSITIONING FROM THE BIG SUR ARR TO THE TIPP TOE VISUAL 28L PROC, THE POINT AT WHICH YOU CAN LEGALLY DSND FROM 6000 FT TO 4000 FT IS AMBIGUOUS WITHOUT HAVING 3 DIFFERENT CHARTS OUT. THIS IS AT A TIME WHERE OUR ATTN SHOULD BE PRIMARILY OUTSIDE THE COCKPIT INSTEAD OF CROSS REFERENCING CHARTS. AN ADDITIONAL NOTATION ON THE TIPP TOE 28L CHART SHOWING THE TCA FLOOR CHANGING FROM 6000 FT TO 4000 FT ALONG THE OAK 151 DEG RADIAL WOULD BE BENEFICIAL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.