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Attributes | |
ACN | 206167 |
Time | |
Date | 199203 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : yul |
State Reference | PQ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1500 agl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : yul |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time type : 3600 |
ASRS Report | 206167 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was the engineer on this flight. We were vectored on a downwind to 24R winds aloft were apparently blowing us toward the runway. During the turn to final, I lost contact with the airport due to the nose down position of the aircraft. We rolled out through the centerline. A TCASII RA was given which we followed. Once it was completed and the conflict was clear. It was decided to try to make the approach. It was difficult to understand the controller at this point so we went around. We were then vectored for another downwind. Again the turn was through the final but no traffic. Landed ok. Contributing factors: 1) being vectored on a close downwind. 2) dusk -- hard to see runways.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT OVERSHOOTS CTRLINE ON TURN TO FINAL. TCASII ALERT. GAR. SECOND TRY OVERSHOOTS AGAIN, LANDS.
Narrative: I WAS THE ENGINEER ON THIS FLT. WE WERE VECTORED ON A DOWNWIND TO 24R WINDS ALOFT WERE APPARENTLY BLOWING US TOWARD THE RWY. DURING THE TURN TO FINAL, I LOST CONTACT WITH THE ARPT DUE TO THE NOSE DOWN POS OF THE ACFT. WE ROLLED OUT THROUGH THE CTRLINE. A TCASII RA WAS GIVEN WHICH WE FOLLOWED. ONCE IT WAS COMPLETED AND THE CONFLICT WAS CLR. IT WAS DECIDED TO TRY TO MAKE THE APCH. IT WAS DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND THE CTLR AT THIS POINT SO WE WENT AROUND. WE WERE THEN VECTORED FOR ANOTHER DOWNWIND. AGAIN THE TURN WAS THROUGH THE FINAL BUT NO TFC. LANDED OK. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: 1) BEING VECTORED ON A CLOSE DOWNWIND. 2) DUSK -- HARD TO SEE RWYS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.