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Medium large transport vectored too close, too high for approach. Requests corrective maneuver twice before receiving response.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 207203 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199204 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tlh |
| State Reference | FL |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Dusk |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tlh artcc : zoa |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 300 flight time total : 8200 flight time type : 1350 |
| ASRS Report | 207203 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
While being handled by ATC for arrival into tlh, the controller cleared us for a visual approach to runway 27 -- we informed him that we didnþt have the airport in sight. He then gave us a heading for the localizer and we were in very close to the airport (by now we were visual with the airport). After being cleared for a visual we told him we needed to widen to the left and then turn back in for altitude loss. We tried to express this to him twice before he answered us. We proceeded to land runway 27 with no problems.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG VECTORED TOO CLOSE, TOO HIGH FOR APCH. REQUESTS CORRECTIVE MANEUVER TWICE BEFORE RECEIVING RESPONSE.
Narrative: WHILE BEING HANDLED BY ATC FOR ARR INTO TLH, THE CTLR CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 27 -- WE INFORMED HIM THAT WE DIDNþT HAVE THE ARPT IN SIGHT. HE THEN GAVE US A HDG FOR THE LOC AND WE WERE IN VERY CLOSE TO THE ARPT (BY NOW WE WERE VISUAL WITH THE ARPT). AFTER BEING CLRED FOR A VISUAL WE TOLD HIM WE NEEDED TO WIDEN TO THE L AND THEN TURN BACK IN FOR ALT LOSS. WE TRIED TO EXPRESS THIS TO HIM TWICE BEFORE HE ANSWERED US. WE PROCEEDED TO LAND RWY 27 WITH NO PROBLEMS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.