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Attributes | |
ACN | 208548 |
Time | |
Date | 199204 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : cri airport : jfk |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : jfk |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody Transport |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 450 |
ASRS Report | 208548 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 350 |
ASRS Report | 208260 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : equipment problem dissipated controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
We departed runway 31L at jfk on the kennedy 5 departure breezy point climb. After takeoff, I called for 'direct intercept, LNAV' to cri VOR. Being close to cri plus the slower computer in the X FMS, resulted in the appearance of subsequent map shifting. We were concerned with encroaching on the cri 039 degree radial and turned to a 220 degree heading. By the time we re-oriented ourselves to basic VOR navigation, we found ourselves 2 mi south of cri VOR. ATC queried and assigned a 260 degree heading to intercept the cri 223 degree radial outbound. Quite frankly, I'm not quite sure how to prevent these kinds of situations due to the many anomalies and complexity of the operation. The answer may be to go back to basic navigation in the terminal environment and use the FMS once established en route. In my opinion, the whole concept of glass cockpit flying looks a whole lot better on paper than it does operationally. Note: a possible explanation to the map shift anomaly described above is the VOR-DME updating that occurs after the aircraft becomes airborne. Again, perhaps basic navigation is the answer. (This was explained to me after the fact). Supplemental information from acn 208260: upon leaving 500 ft AGL first officer, who was flying, called for LNAV direct to cri VOR. I then selected and executed FMC to the called for procedure. The screen then went blank for approximately 10 seconds and then said standby for another 20 seconds before finally giving the course to cri. By this time, we were getting close to the 036 degree radial. A hard turn was executed to southeasterly heading to remain south of 039 degree radial with our close proximity to cri we ended up 2 mi south of cri and were then vectored to intercept the 223 degree radial outbound. I believe our mistake was not flying the departure procedure manually. The X FMC is extremely slow compared to the Y which we fly almost exclusively. Also contributing is the high workload on 2 man cockpit on takeoff and landing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WDB FLC HAD AN FMC PROBLEM RIGHT AFTER TKOF THAT CAUSED THEM TO BE OFF TRACK ON DEP. ATC GAVE THE ACFT A VECTOR AND THE FMS CAME BACK TO LIFE.
Narrative: WE DEPARTED RWY 31L AT JFK ON THE KENNEDY 5 DEP BREEZY POINT CLB. AFTER TKOF, I CALLED FOR 'DIRECT INTERCEPT, LNAV' TO CRI VOR. BEING CLOSE TO CRI PLUS THE SLOWER COMPUTER IN THE X FMS, RESULTED IN THE APPEARANCE OF SUBSEQUENT MAP SHIFTING. WE WERE CONCERNED WITH ENCROACHING ON THE CRI 039 DEG RADIAL AND TURNED TO A 220 DEG HDG. BY THE TIME WE RE-ORIENTED OURSELVES TO BASIC VOR NAV, WE FOUND OURSELVES 2 MI S OF CRI VOR. ATC QUERIED AND ASSIGNED A 260 DEG HDG TO INTERCEPT THE CRI 223 DEG RADIAL OUTBOUND. QUITE FRANKLY, I'M NOT QUITE SURE HOW TO PREVENT THESE KINDS OF SITUATIONS DUE TO THE MANY ANOMALIES AND COMPLEXITY OF THE OP. THE ANSWER MAY BE TO GO BACK TO BASIC NAV IN THE TERMINAL ENVIRONMENT AND USE THE FMS ONCE ESTABLISHED ENRTE. IN MY OPINION, THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF GLASS COCKPIT FLYING LOOKS A WHOLE LOT BETTER ON PAPER THAN IT DOES OPERATIONALLY. NOTE: A POSSIBLE EXPLANATION TO THE MAP SHIFT ANOMALY DESCRIBED ABOVE IS THE VOR-DME UPDATING THAT OCCURS AFTER THE ACFT BECOMES AIRBORNE. AGAIN, PERHAPS BASIC NAV IS THE ANSWER. (THIS WAS EXPLAINED TO ME AFTER THE FACT). SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 208260: UPON LEAVING 500 FT AGL FO, WHO WAS FLYING, CALLED FOR LNAV DIRECT TO CRI VOR. I THEN SELECTED AND EXECUTED FMC TO THE CALLED FOR PROC. THE SCREEN THEN WENT BLANK FOR APPROX 10 SECONDS AND THEN SAID STANDBY FOR ANOTHER 20 SECONDS BEFORE FINALLY GIVING THE COURSE TO CRI. BY THIS TIME, WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO THE 036 DEG RADIAL. A HARD TURN WAS EXECUTED TO SOUTHEASTERLY HDG TO REMAIN S OF 039 DEG RADIAL WITH OUR CLOSE PROX TO CRI WE ENDED UP 2 MI S OF CRI AND WERE THEN VECTORED TO INTERCEPT THE 223 DEG RADIAL OUTBOUND. I BELIEVE OUR MISTAKE WAS NOT FLYING THE DEP PROC MANUALLY. THE X FMC IS EXTREMELY SLOW COMPARED TO THE Y WHICH WE FLY ALMOST EXCLUSIVELY. ALSO CONTRIBUTING IS THE HIGH WORKLOAD ON 2 MAN COCKPIT ON TKOF AND LNDG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.