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Attributes | |
ACN | 210008 |
Time | |
Date | 199205 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mdt |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3200 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mdt tower : las |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 210008 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 229 flight time total : 2240 flight time type : 541 |
ASRS Report | 209810 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : exited adverse environment |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Was handed off from ZNY to harrisburg approach. I, as captain, was the PF. The first officer left the primary frequency to call company. I remember 3000 ft was set in the altitude alerter as we were being vectored for the 13 ILS mdt. The first officer returned to the primary frequency and was going to ask if there were any changes, to which I was going to say no, still going to 3000 ft, when the GPWS 'terrain alert' sounded, followed by 'terrain pull up warning.' I disconnected the autoplt and started an immediate climb. Our altitude was 3200 ft and leveled off at 4200 ft when the warning stopped. The first officer told mdt approach we got a GPWS terrain alert. The controller came back and said the MVA in that area was 3400 ft. He then asked 'you say you got a TCASII alert?' the first officer then stated, 'no sir, we got a GPWS terrain alert, and we are climbing.' 'what altitude would you like us at?' the controller replied '4000 ft, the altitude I gave you,' to which the first officer replied, 'no sir, we were given 3000 ft, it's set in the altitude alerter.' we continued for vectors for the approach and landed without incident. If the altitude given was wrong, then why didn't the controller notice and ask about our altitude. It's also interesting to note that for the final vector for the approach is to maintain 3000 ft until established, then cleared for the approach. Could it be the controller got ahead of himself on his altitudes? Regardless, the technology worked and no one was hurt. Supplemental information from acn 209810: upon returning to communication #1, I advised the captain that I was back monitoring the #1 frequency. At the very same time that he acknowledged my return, I notice that we are descending to 3000 ft MSL and I remember that the last altitude I recall being assigned to is 4000 ft (altitude that I personally selected in the altitude set display window).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER ACR HAS GPWS TERRAIN WARNING WHEN THEY DSND TOO LOW ON VECTOR FOR APCH INTO MDT.
Narrative: WAS HANDED OFF FROM ZNY TO HARRISBURG APCH. I, AS CAPT, WAS THE PF. THE FO LEFT THE PRIMARY FREQ TO CALL COMPANY. I REMEMBER 3000 FT WAS SET IN THE ALT ALERTER AS WE WERE BEING VECTORED FOR THE 13 ILS MDT. THE FO RETURNED TO THE PRIMARY FREQ AND WAS GOING TO ASK IF THERE WERE ANY CHANGES, TO WHICH I WAS GOING TO SAY NO, STILL GOING TO 3000 FT, WHEN THE GPWS 'TERRAIN ALERT' SOUNDED, FOLLOWED BY 'TERRAIN PULL UP WARNING.' I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND STARTED AN IMMEDIATE CLB. OUR ALT WAS 3200 FT AND LEVELED OFF AT 4200 FT WHEN THE WARNING STOPPED. THE FO TOLD MDT APCH WE GOT A GPWS TERRAIN ALERT. THE CTLR CAME BACK AND SAID THE MVA IN THAT AREA WAS 3400 FT. HE THEN ASKED 'YOU SAY YOU GOT A TCASII ALERT?' THE FO THEN STATED, 'NO SIR, WE GOT A GPWS TERRAIN ALERT, AND WE ARE CLBING.' 'WHAT ALT WOULD YOU LIKE US AT?' THE CTLR REPLIED '4000 FT, THE ALT I GAVE YOU,' TO WHICH THE FO REPLIED, 'NO SIR, WE WERE GIVEN 3000 FT, IT'S SET IN THE ALT ALERTER.' WE CONTINUED FOR VECTORS FOR THE APCH AND LANDED WITHOUT INCIDENT. IF THE ALT GIVEN WAS WRONG, THEN WHY DIDN'T THE CTLR NOTICE AND ASK ABOUT OUR ALT. IT'S ALSO INTERESTING TO NOTE THAT FOR THE FINAL VECTOR FOR THE APCH IS TO MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL ESTABLISHED, THEN CLRED FOR THE APCH. COULD IT BE THE CTLR GOT AHEAD OF HIMSELF ON HIS ALTS? REGARDLESS, THE TECHNOLOGY WORKED AND NO ONE WAS HURT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 209810: UPON RETURNING TO COM #1, I ADVISED THE CAPT THAT I WAS BACK MONITORING THE #1 FREQ. AT THE VERY SAME TIME THAT HE ACKNOWLEDGED MY RETURN, I NOTICE THAT WE ARE DSNDING TO 3000 FT MSL AND I REMEMBER THAT THE LAST ALT I RECALL BEING ASSIGNED TO IS 4000 FT (ALT THAT I PERSONALLY SELECTED IN THE ALT SET DISPLAY WINDOW).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.