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An air carrier pilot flying in a remote area initially thought that a competitor was harassing and deliberately delaying flts by his company. The perception was that the usual cooperation was not there.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 210246 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199205 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : ktn |
| State Reference | AK |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 15000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zan |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other enroute airway : zan |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other landing other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 135 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 210246 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was ready to depart for sea and brand X was coming in from the southeast. I could not get a clearance due to inbound traffic. I elected to depart with a VFR climb as I had come in 30 mins earlier and had not entered any clouds (basically clear) out to the west. I told the FSS that it would work good as brand X would be coming in from the southeast (on the VOR approach). He said that brand X was not doing the VOR but the full ILS via a transition. This surprised me as WX was very good and wind was about 15 KTS out of west, making the VOR to 29 a good approach. Upon evaluating the situation further, I determined brand X's position and decided a VFR departure was still fine. About time of departure, brand X cancelled IFR in full view of us. He maneuvered to the northwest and we went southwest. We never got closer than 5 mi. The problem was that the twin went to center and got clearance to climb direct to a NAVAID and then (center) asked us if we wanted a certain course from the next sector. He told us to maintain 290 degree heading without mentioning any VFR climb. This, to me, relieved me of the VFR climb restriction. The funny thing was that I maintained VFR in my climb at all times and went slightly out of my way.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR PLT FLYING IN A REMOTE AREA INITIALLY THOUGHT THAT A COMPETITOR WAS HARASSING AND DELIBERATELY DELAYING FLTS BY HIS COMPANY. THE PERCEPTION WAS THAT THE USUAL COOPERATION WAS NOT THERE.
Narrative: I WAS READY TO DEPART FOR SEA AND BRAND X WAS COMING IN FROM THE SE. I COULD NOT GET A CLRNC DUE TO INBOUND TFC. I ELECTED TO DEPART WITH A VFR CLB AS I HAD COME IN 30 MINS EARLIER AND HAD NOT ENTERED ANY CLOUDS (BASICALLY CLR) OUT TO THE W. I TOLD THE FSS THAT IT WOULD WORK GOOD AS BRAND X WOULD BE COMING IN FROM THE SE (ON THE VOR APCH). HE SAID THAT BRAND X WAS NOT DOING THE VOR BUT THE FULL ILS VIA A TRANSITION. THIS SURPRISED ME AS WX WAS VERY GOOD AND WIND WAS ABOUT 15 KTS OUT OF W, MAKING THE VOR TO 29 A GOOD APCH. UPON EVALUATING THE SITUATION FURTHER, I DETERMINED BRAND X'S POS AND DECIDED A VFR DEP WAS STILL FINE. ABOUT TIME OF DEP, BRAND X CANCELLED IFR IN FULL VIEW OF US. HE MANEUVERED TO THE NW AND WE WENT SW. WE NEVER GOT CLOSER THAN 5 MI. THE PROBLEM WAS THAT THE TWIN WENT TO CTR AND GOT CLRNC TO CLB DIRECT TO A NAVAID AND THEN (CTR) ASKED US IF WE WANTED A CERTAIN COURSE FROM THE NEXT SECTOR. HE TOLD US TO MAINTAIN 290 DEG HDG WITHOUT MENTIONING ANY VFR CLB. THIS, TO ME, RELIEVED ME OF THE VFR CLB RESTRICTION. THE FUNNY THING WAS THAT I MAINTAINED VFR IN MY CLB AT ALL TIMES AND WENT SLIGHTLY OUT OF MY WAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.