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Small aircraft pilot alleges that he had an near midair collision with small transport while on approach to ful airport, both aircraft on IFR flight plans.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 210241 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199205 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : sli airport : ful |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : sna |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Retractable Gear |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 3000 |
| ASRS Report | 210241 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | incursion : runway other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 350 vertical : 0 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I was making the VOR approach to fullerton and was being vectored to final by coast approach. I was at 3000 assigned nd had just been given approach clearance and a turn to final. I began the turn as normal at which time the controller requested a good rate of turn. I immediately disengaged the autoplt and rolled into a 45 degree turn. During this approach period I heard another aircraft also on frequency. The small aircraft Y was also at 3000 and being vectored for the approach. I believed him to be to the northwest of my position although he was never given as traffic. I was between layers, but did not see any traffic. I completed the approach and landing without incident. While on the ramp I was approached by the pilot of the small aircraft Y, he appeared very shaken. He indicated that we had missed colliding by about 200-500 ft while I was turning to final. He thought that I had seen him and turned sharply to avoid him. I was not aware he was there. He did not see me until he saw the belly of the small transport X in the turn. We were both IFR and neither of us had been given the other as traffic.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT ALLEGES THAT HE HAD AN NMAC WITH SMT WHILE ON APCH TO FUL ARPT, BOTH ACFT ON IFR FLT PLANS.
Narrative: I WAS MAKING THE VOR APCH TO FULLERTON AND WAS BEING VECTORED TO FINAL BY COAST APCH. I WAS AT 3000 ASSIGNED ND HAD JUST BEEN GIVEN APCH CLRNC AND A TURN TO FINAL. I BEGAN THE TURN AS NORMAL AT WHICH TIME THE CTLR REQUESTED A GOOD RATE OF TURN. I IMMEDIATELY DISENGAGED THE AUTOPLT AND ROLLED INTO A 45 DEG TURN. DURING THIS APCH PERIOD I HEARD ANOTHER ACFT ALSO ON FREQ. THE SMA Y WAS ALSO AT 3000 AND BEING VECTORED FOR THE APCH. I BELIEVED HIM TO BE TO THE NW OF MY POS ALTHOUGH HE WAS NEVER GIVEN AS TFC. I WAS BTWN LAYERS, BUT DID NOT SEE ANY TFC. I COMPLETED THE APCH AND LNDG WITHOUT INCIDENT. WHILE ON THE RAMP I WAS APCHED BY THE PLT OF THE SMA Y, HE APPEARED VERY SHAKEN. HE INDICATED THAT WE HAD MISSED COLLIDING BY ABOUT 200-500 FT WHILE I WAS TURNING TO FINAL. HE THOUGHT THAT I HAD SEEN HIM AND TURNED SHARPLY TO AVOID HIM. I WAS NOT AWARE HE WAS THERE. HE DID NOT SEE ME UNTIL HE SAW THE BELLY OF THE SMT X IN THE TURN. WE WERE BOTH IFR AND NEITHER OF US HAD BEEN GIVEN THE OTHER AS TFC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.