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Attributes | |
ACN | 211576 |
Time | |
Date | 199205 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : tyo |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 35000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : other oceanic enroute : pacific enroute airway : rjtg |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 100 |
ASRS Report | 211576 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
May not have maintained longitudinal separation for aircraft in the pacific ocean region such as position report ETA not within plus or minus 3 mins at position 'a' I transmitted ETA for next mandatory position report 'B' as XX30, the ETA was based on the ETA given by the INS. This time appeared early and I thought I had written and transmitted XX33, but based on the flight plan, I did write, and must have transmitted XX30. Midway between position 'a' and 'B,' in accordance with published procedures, I obtained WX and checked the ETA for 'B,' the ETA appeared valid, for either XX30 or XX33, as I can't positively state which ETA I was tracking. I feel I was mentally cued to XX33, but again, the flight plan reflected XX30. As this was only my second flight to the far east, at approximately 3/4 distance to position 'B' the captain took the flight plan and began a discussion about our subsequent position, the release point, release clearance procedures, he also obtained destination WX. As he started this discussion, I again check the ETA for position 'B.' nearing position 'B' we completed our 'approaching waypoints checks' and were completing 'over the waypoint check' tokyo radio called. This call interrupted our flows as we anticipated a re-release clearance, however, radio stated tokyo control wanted an update on our position. The aforementioned interrupted my logging our arrival time as mtg changed over. I called back and gave a position report with position 'B' as XX35. Shortly thereafter, radio called and verified our position report, at that time, the captain pointed to the 5 min difference on the flight plan and stated that was why tokyo called back, that it should be no more than 3 mins.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FO OF ACR WDB ACFT RPTED AN ERRONEOUS 'ESTIMATE' DURING AN INTL PACIFIC OCEAN FLT RESULTING IN ATC BELIEVING THAT THE FLT HAD NOT MET THEIR FLT ESTIMATES WITHIN PRESCRIBED LIMITS.
Narrative: MAY NOT HAVE MAINTAINED LONGITUDINAL SEPARATION FOR ACFT IN THE PACIFIC OCEAN REGION SUCH AS POS RPT ETA NOT WITHIN PLUS OR MINUS 3 MINS AT POS 'A' I XMITTED ETA FOR NEXT MANDATORY POS RPT 'B' AS XX30, THE ETA WAS BASED ON THE ETA GIVEN BY THE INS. THIS TIME APPEARED EARLY AND I THOUGHT I HAD WRITTEN AND XMITTED XX33, BUT BASED ON THE FLT PLAN, I DID WRITE, AND MUST HAVE XMITTED XX30. MIDWAY BTWN POS 'A' AND 'B,' IN ACCORDANCE WITH PUBLISHED PROCS, I OBTAINED WX AND CHKED THE ETA FOR 'B,' THE ETA APPEARED VALID, FOR EITHER XX30 OR XX33, AS I CAN'T POSITIVELY STATE WHICH ETA I WAS TRACKING. I FEEL I WAS MENTALLY CUED TO XX33, BUT AGAIN, THE FLT PLAN REFLECTED XX30. AS THIS WAS ONLY MY SECOND FLT TO THE FAR E, AT APPROX 3/4 DISTANCE TO POS 'B' THE CAPT TOOK THE FLT PLAN AND BEGAN A DISCUSSION ABOUT OUR SUBSEQUENT POS, THE RELEASE POINT, RELEASE CLRNC PROCS, HE ALSO OBTAINED DEST WX. AS HE STARTED THIS DISCUSSION, I AGAIN CHK THE ETA FOR POS 'B.' NEARING POS 'B' WE COMPLETED OUR 'APCHING WAYPOINTS CHKS' AND WERE COMPLETING 'OVER THE WAYPOINT CHK' TOKYO RADIO CALLED. THIS CALL INTERRUPTED OUR FLOWS AS WE ANTICIPATED A RE-RELEASE CLRNC, HOWEVER, RADIO STATED TOKYO CTL WANTED AN UPDATE ON OUR POS. THE AFOREMENTIONED INTERRUPTED MY LOGGING OUR ARR TIME AS MTG CHANGED OVER. I CALLED BACK AND GAVE A POS RPT WITH POS 'B' AS XX35. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, RADIO CALLED AND VERIFIED OUR POS RPT, AT THAT TIME, THE CAPT POINTED TO THE 5 MIN DIFFERENCE ON THE FLT PLAN AND STATED THAT WAS WHY TOKYO CALLED BACK, THAT IT SHOULD BE NO MORE THAN 3 MINS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.