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The reporter was boxed in, in a heavy WX situation.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 212720 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199206 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : tpa |
| State Reference | FL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 4000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : tpa tower : tpa |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
| Flight Phase | descent other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 350 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 2200 |
| ASRS Report | 212720 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : weather non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We were delayed 55 mins on flight tpa-ewr for thunderstorms in the terminal area on our departure. We finally got a break in the WX and made our takeoff. Before we took off on runway 18R, we asked for a 280 heading to avoid thunderstorms off the departure end. We were granted the heading. After takeoff, departure control (tpa) requested a further southwest heading. We could not comply because of a level 4 thunderstorm. It resulted in departure control turning and descending an air carrier jet from 4000 to 2000 ft. The departure controller was rude to us for not flying into the thunderstorm and killing everyone on board. He had options, and as I see it, left turn, right turn, up or down for other air carrier. I had none. No one does anything about these letters. I had a similar problem a couple of yrs ago. I would be happy to talk to someone who really cares about air safety. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: this gentleman is working for an air carrier that is in chapter 11. He seems to be a hot head. He wanted to get the controller's name so that he could go to his door 'and knock out the controller.' he thinks that controllers cannot or will not take any risks or responsibilities for less than standard separation so that aircraft can deviate around WX. He would like to have WX depicted on the controller's radar so that they can see that the pilots are not making up stories about not being able to turn to a particular heading or track because of WX. He was home sick with the flu, and his company requires (?) that pilots fly when sick. It was a fun conversation. He feels that the only way for a pilot to be able to deviate around WX is to use 'the east word', emergency.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE RPTR WAS BOXED IN, IN A HVY WX SITUATION.
Narrative: WE WERE DELAYED 55 MINS ON FLT TPA-EWR FOR TSTMS IN THE TERMINAL AREA ON OUR DEP. WE FINALLY GOT A BREAK IN THE WX AND MADE OUR TKOF. BEFORE WE TOOK OFF ON RWY 18R, WE ASKED FOR A 280 HDG TO AVOID TSTMS OFF THE DEP END. WE WERE GRANTED THE HDG. AFTER TKOF, DEP CTL (TPA) REQUESTED A FURTHER SW HDG. WE COULD NOT COMPLY BECAUSE OF A LEVEL 4 TSTM. IT RESULTED IN DEP CTL TURNING AND DSNDING AN ACR JET FROM 4000 TO 2000 FT. THE DEP CTLR WAS RUDE TO US FOR NOT FLYING INTO THE TSTM AND KILLING EVERYONE ON BOARD. HE HAD OPTIONS, AND AS I SEE IT, L TURN, R TURN, UP OR DOWN FOR OTHER ACR. I HAD NONE. NO ONE DOES ANYTHING ABOUT THESE LETTERS. I HAD A SIMILAR PROBLEM A COUPLE OF YRS AGO. I WOULD BE HAPPY TO TALK TO SOMEONE WHO REALLY CARES ABOUT AIR SAFETY. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH REPORTER REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: THIS GENTLEMAN IS WORKING FOR AN ACR THAT IS IN CHAPTER 11. HE SEEMS TO BE A HOT HEAD. HE WANTED TO GET THE CTLR'S NAME SO THAT HE COULD GO TO HIS DOOR 'AND KNOCK OUT THE CTLR.' HE THINKS THAT CTLRS CANNOT OR WILL NOT TAKE ANY RISKS OR RESPONSIBILITIES FOR LTSS SO THAT ACFT CAN DEVIATE AROUND WX. HE WOULD LIKE TO HAVE WX DEPICTED ON THE CTLR'S RADAR SO THAT THEY CAN SEE THAT THE PLTS ARE NOT MAKING UP STORIES ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO TURN TO A PARTICULAR HDG OR TRACK BECAUSE OF WX. HE WAS HOME SICK WITH THE FLU, AND HIS COMPANY REQUIRES (?) THAT PLTS FLY WHEN SICK. IT WAS A FUN CONVERSATION. HE FEELS THAT THE ONLY WAY FOR A PLT TO BE ABLE TO DEVIATE AROUND WX IS TO USE 'THE E WORD', EMER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.