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Attributes | |
ACN | 215273 |
Time | |
Date | 199207 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : msp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 215273 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were required to return from brainard to minneapolis on a VFR flight plan because of an inoperative navigational instrument on my side (copilot). Obviously we were to stay clear of clouds at all times and during the flight that was no problem. Upon receiving our clearance to enter the TCA we were given vectors and altitudes to maintain. During our descent we were issued an altitude of 3500 ft. Initially this was no problem but as we proceeded, we encountered an area of scattered clouds at our altitude. I upon instructions from the captain, advised ATC we needed a lower altitude to remain VFR. Approach then issued 3000 ft and advised he would have lower in a few mi due to traffic. While at 3000 ft it was clear that we still would be encountering the scattered clouds. Being preoccupied with remaining VFR the captain continued to descend. As I advised the captain we were to remain at our assigned altitude of 3000 ft (twice) he (captain) told me (first officer) to ask for lower. We were now 2700 ft and descending. Upon calling ATC for lower, he (ATC) advised traffic 10 O'clock, less than 1 mi -- 2500 ft. (Our altitude at this time -- 2500 ft). The captain then pulled up hard to 3000 ft. ATC asked us to verify level 3000 ft. At the time he (ATC) asked, we were, and I said 'level 3000.' we proceeded to mso and landed. Upon clearing runway 29R, ground advised we copy approach telephone number and call. Captain called.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: COMMUTER FLYING VFR DUE INOP NAV EQUIP DSNDS BELOW ASSIGNED ALT TO KEEP CLOUD CLRNC. NMAC.
Narrative: WE WERE REQUIRED TO RETURN FROM BRAINARD TO MINNEAPOLIS ON A VFR FLT PLAN BECAUSE OF AN INOP NAVIGATIONAL INST ON MY SIDE (COPLT). OBVIOUSLY WE WERE TO STAY CLR OF CLOUDS AT ALL TIMES AND DURING THE FLT THAT WAS NO PROBLEM. UPON RECEIVING OUR CLRNC TO ENTER THE TCA WE WERE GIVEN VECTORS AND ALTS TO MAINTAIN. DURING OUR DSCNT WE WERE ISSUED AN ALT OF 3500 FT. INITIALLY THIS WAS NO PROBLEM BUT AS WE PROCEEDED, WE ENCOUNTERED AN AREA OF SCATTERED CLOUDS AT OUR ALT. I UPON INSTRUCTIONS FROM THE CAPT, ADVISED ATC WE NEEDED A LOWER ALT TO REMAIN VFR. APCH THEN ISSUED 3000 FT AND ADVISED HE WOULD HAVE LOWER IN A FEW MI DUE TO TFC. WHILE AT 3000 FT IT WAS CLR THAT WE STILL WOULD BE ENCOUNTERING THE SCATTERED CLOUDS. BEING PREOCCUPIED WITH REMAINING VFR THE CAPT CONTINUED TO DSND. AS I ADVISED THE CAPT WE WERE TO REMAIN AT OUR ASSIGNED ALT OF 3000 FT (TWICE) HE (CAPT) TOLD ME (FO) TO ASK FOR LOWER. WE WERE NOW 2700 FT AND DSNDING. UPON CALLING ATC FOR LOWER, HE (ATC) ADVISED TFC 10 O'CLOCK, LESS THAN 1 MI -- 2500 FT. (OUR ALT AT THIS TIME -- 2500 FT). THE CAPT THEN PULLED UP HARD TO 3000 FT. ATC ASKED US TO VERIFY LEVEL 3000 FT. AT THE TIME HE (ATC) ASKED, WE WERE, AND I SAID 'LEVEL 3000.' WE PROCEEDED TO MSO AND LANDED. UPON CLRING RWY 29R, GND ADVISED WE COPY APCH TELEPHONE NUMBER AND CALL. CAPT CALLED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.