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Attributes | |
ACN | 219522 |
Time | |
Date | 199208 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lfff |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : lfff |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : second officer |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 8100 flight time type : 3864 |
ASRS Report | 219522 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 90 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 550 |
ASRS Report | 219527 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 9000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Narrative:
Descending into paris with a descent clearance to 13000 ft. At about 19000 ft our TCASII gave us an RA to climb at a min rate of 2000 FPM. We initiated a climb, and as we did so, we were able to see the other aircraft at about the 5 O'clock position and 2 mi and 300 ft above us in level flight. We continued climb at 2000 FPM until the TCASII RA went away at which time the other aircraft was shown to be 100 ft below us and disappearing from the TCASII display. We notified paris control of our climb and the traffic we climbed to avoid. Paris acknowledged and said the traffic was 300 ft above us. This was a potentially very serious near miss. 1) european controllers seldom point out conflicting traffic. Had we known his bearing and altitude, we wouldn't have initiated a climb. 2) TCASII commanded a climb into traffic that was apparently in level flight, even though we had just descended through his altitude. 3) by following our TCASII RA, we actually decreased the separation with the traffic. 4) we deviated from our ATC clearance to avoid the traffic and european ATC control does not allow a deviation to satisfy a TCASII RA. We did not declare an emergency in order to prevent certificate action by the french controller, however, we do not expect a violation to be filed against us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TCASII WITH A FALSE ALARM CAUSED A WDB ACR TO CLB THROUGH THE ALT OF A NEARBY ACFT.
Narrative: DSNDING INTO PARIS WITH A DSCNT CLRNC TO 13000 FT. AT ABOUT 19000 FT OUR TCASII GAVE US AN RA TO CLB AT A MIN RATE OF 2000 FPM. WE INITIATED A CLB, AND AS WE DID SO, WE WERE ABLE TO SEE THE OTHER ACFT AT ABOUT THE 5 O'CLOCK POS AND 2 MI AND 300 FT ABOVE US IN LEVEL FLT. WE CONTINUED CLB AT 2000 FPM UNTIL THE TCASII RA WENT AWAY AT WHICH TIME THE OTHER ACFT WAS SHOWN TO BE 100 FT BELOW US AND DISAPPEARING FROM THE TCASII DISPLAY. WE NOTIFIED PARIS CTL OF OUR CLB AND THE TFC WE CLBED TO AVOID. PARIS ACKNOWLEDGED AND SAID THE TFC WAS 300 FT ABOVE US. THIS WAS A POTENTIALLY VERY SERIOUS NEAR MISS. 1) EUROPEAN CTLRS SELDOM POINT OUT CONFLICTING TFC. HAD WE KNOWN HIS BEARING AND ALT, WE WOULDN'T HAVE INITIATED A CLB. 2) TCASII COMMANDED A CLB INTO TFC THAT WAS APPARENTLY IN LEVEL FLT, EVEN THOUGH WE HAD JUST DSNDED THROUGH HIS ALT. 3) BY FOLLOWING OUR TCASII RA, WE ACTUALLY DECREASED THE SEPARATION WITH THE TFC. 4) WE DEVIATED FROM OUR ATC CLRNC TO AVOID THE TFC AND EUROPEAN ATC CTL DOES NOT ALLOW A DEV TO SATISFY A TCASII RA. WE DID NOT DECLARE AN EMER IN ORDER TO PREVENT CERTIFICATE ACTION BY THE FRENCH CTLR, HOWEVER, WE DO NOT EXPECT A VIOLATION TO BE FILED AGAINST US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.