An light transport air carrier crew made an approach to below mins because their company had not giv...

Attributes
ACN	223485
Time
Date	199210
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	0601 To 1200
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hpn
State Reference	NY
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : hpn
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng
Navigation In Use	Other Other
Flight Phase	descent : approach ground : preflight landing other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer
Flight Phase	descent : approach other
Route In Use	arrival other
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : instrument
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 216 flight time total : 3800 flight time type : 1125
ASRS Report	223485
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other other : unspecified
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation other

Narrative:

On descent to hpn, we were advised that the RVR for runway 16 was 1800 ft. Upon checking the approach plate for ILS 16, the min for our operation was 2400 ft RVR. We held on the localizer at 2000 ft for approximately 3 mins, then were instructed to hold at 4000 ft. We held at 4000 ft for approximately 3 more mins. Then the WX improved to above our published landing mins. We executed the approach. Upon rollout, in visibility of over 1 mi, we heard tower talking to a jet. The jet said they could not continue the approach because the notamed RVR min was 5000 ft. The captain and I had both reviewed the release before leaving bos. The only NOTAMS we received from our dispatcher were local NOTAMS. The fdc NOTAMS were not included. The problem is that no heading is put on the NOTAMS it didn't say 'local NOTAMS.' we assumed we had all the information. Another problem was our aircraft was parked in the north cargo area of bos airport with no real means of getting WX and NOTAMS on our own. We are at the mercy of the company. I also do not understand why the approach controllers or tower controllers did not know about the NOTAM, or if they did, why did they not inform us why are fdc NOTAMS of such importance not included on the ATIS after hpn, we went back to bos and informed the acp what had happened. He said 'yeah, we've been having problems getting the NOTAMS from our dispatchers to bos and on the releases.' he really didn't seem concerned. Our next flight was from bos- rdc. We specifically requested fdc NOTAMS after our release once again came without them. We found that the visibility for ILS runway 4 at roc was raised from 3/4 to 1 mi. Upon arriving at roc, the visibility was 7/8. The tower and approach controllers knew nothing about the NOTAM and aircraft had been executing the approach all day! We need to improve the way that such important NOTAMS are disseminated.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: AN LTT ACR CREW MADE AN APCH TO BELOW MINS BECAUSE THEIR COMPANY HAD NOT GIVEN THEM THE FLT DATA CTR NOTAMS. THE REDUCED MINS WERE NOT PUBLISHED ON THE ATIS.

Narrative: ON DSCNT TO HPN, WE WERE ADVISED THAT THE RVR FOR RWY 16 WAS 1800 FT. UPON CHKING THE APCH PLATE FOR ILS 16, THE MIN FOR OUR OP WAS 2400 FT RVR. WE HELD ON THE LOC AT 2000 FT FOR APPROX 3 MINS, THEN WERE INSTRUCTED TO HOLD AT 4000 FT. WE HELD AT 4000 FT FOR APPROX 3 MORE MINS. THEN THE WX IMPROVED TO ABOVE OUR PUBLISHED LNDG MINS. WE EXECUTED THE APCH. UPON ROLLOUT, IN VISIBILITY OF OVER 1 MI, WE HEARD TWR TALKING TO A JET. THE JET SAID THEY COULD NOT CONTINUE THE APCH BECAUSE THE NOTAMED RVR MIN WAS 5000 FT. THE CAPT AND I HAD BOTH REVIEWED THE RELEASE BEFORE LEAVING BOS. THE ONLY NOTAMS WE RECEIVED FROM OUR DISPATCHER WERE LCL NOTAMS. THE FDC NOTAMS WERE NOT INCLUDED. THE PROBLEM IS THAT NO HDG IS PUT ON THE NOTAMS IT DIDN'T SAY 'LCL NOTAMS.' WE ASSUMED WE HAD ALL THE INFO. ANOTHER PROBLEM WAS OUR ACFT WAS PARKED IN THE N CARGO AREA OF BOS ARPT WITH NO REAL MEANS OF GETTING WX AND NOTAMS ON OUR OWN. WE ARE AT THE MERCY OF THE COMPANY. I ALSO DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY THE APCH CTLRS OR TWR CTLRS DID NOT KNOW ABOUT THE NOTAM, OR IF THEY DID, WHY DID THEY NOT INFORM US WHY ARE FDC NOTAMS OF SUCH IMPORTANCE NOT INCLUDED ON THE ATIS AFTER HPN, WE WENT BACK TO BOS AND INFORMED THE ACP WHAT HAD HAPPENED. HE SAID 'YEAH, WE'VE BEEN HAVING PROBLEMS GETTING THE NOTAMS FROM OUR DISPATCHERS TO BOS AND ON THE RELEASES.' HE REALLY DIDN'T SEEM CONCERNED. OUR NEXT FLT WAS FROM BOS- RDC. WE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED FDC NOTAMS AFTER OUR RELEASE ONCE AGAIN CAME WITHOUT THEM. WE FOUND THAT THE VISIBILITY FOR ILS RWY 4 AT ROC WAS RAISED FROM 3/4 TO 1 MI. UPON ARRIVING AT ROC, THE VISIBILITY WAS 7/8. THE TWR AND APCH CTLRS KNEW NOTHING ABOUT THE NOTAM AND ACFT HAD BEEN EXECUTING THE APCH ALL DAY! WE NEED TO IMPROVE THE WAY THAT SUCH IMPORTANT NOTAMS ARE DISSEMINATED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

An light transport air carrier crew made an approach to below mins because their company had not given them the flight data center NOTAMS. The reduced mins were not published on the ATIS.