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Attributes | |
ACN | 224139 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2500 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 tower : phl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 224139 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While being vectored for an lda-a approach to lga runway 2L, we were cleared for approach to cross 'casle' intersection at 3000 ft. When cleared for approach we were flying at 250 KTS 90 degree intercept, navigating on both lda and INS. We flew through the localizer and while correcting the first officer deleted the waypoints from the FMC (removed casle and cohop) and put in direct runway 22. At this point I did not know he position of the aircraft from casle and while trying to retrieve the approach data on the FMC the aircraft descended to 2500 ft. Approach questioned us and we returned to 3000 ft and corrected back to localizer. I later briefed the first officer to never touch the FMC unless directed to while maneuvering for approach. This incident occurred because we were too fast (not enough warning from controller) and the first officer putting in direct to runway 22 removing needed data (casle). This resulted in my being distracted and losing 500 ft altitude. In this case there was no conflict and no problem as it was VFR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR DSNDS BELOW ASSIGNED ALT.
Narrative: WHILE BEING VECTORED FOR AN LDA-A APCH TO LGA RWY 2L, WE WERE CLRED FOR APCH TO CROSS 'CASLE' INTXN AT 3000 FT. WHEN CLRED FOR APCH WE WERE FLYING AT 250 KTS 90 DEG INTERCEPT, NAVIGATING ON BOTH LDA AND INS. WE FLEW THROUGH THE LOC AND WHILE CORRECTING THE FO DELETED THE WAYPOINTS FROM THE FMC (REMOVED CASLE AND COHOP) AND PUT IN DIRECT RWY 22. AT THIS POINT I DID NOT KNOW HE POS OF THE ACFT FROM CASLE AND WHILE TRYING TO RETRIEVE THE APCH DATA ON THE FMC THE ACFT DSNDED TO 2500 FT. APCH QUESTIONED US AND WE RETURNED TO 3000 FT AND CORRECTED BACK TO LOC. I LATER BRIEFED THE FO TO NEVER TOUCH THE FMC UNLESS DIRECTED TO WHILE MANEUVERING FOR APCH. THIS INCIDENT OCCURRED BECAUSE WE WERE TOO FAST (NOT ENOUGH WARNING FROM CTLR) AND THE FO PUTTING IN DIRECT TO RWY 22 REMOVING NEEDED DATA (CASLE). THIS RESULTED IN MY BEING DISTRACTED AND LOSING 500 FT ALT. IN THIS CASE THERE WAS NO CONFLICT AND NO PROBLEM AS IT WAS VFR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.