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Attributes | |
ACN | 224291 |
Time | |
Date | 199210 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sfo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2000 msl bound upper : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sfo tower : sfo |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 1800 |
ASRS Report | 224291 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 700 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On approach into sfo, we were established on sfo 095 degrees right for a visual to runway 28R. We were then cleared for a visual to 28L to follow an air carrier which we had in sight. For spacing on him, we were instructed to reduce to final speed right before the san mateo bridge, and did so. A TA was given to us of an aircraft in our 5 O'clock 1 mi on a visual to 38R, a commuter, that had us in sight. We then received a TCASII RA to 'descend, descend.' we did comply. In fact, the rate required to fly to the 'green arc' was such that we received a GPWS warning of our high descent rate. Then to our amazement, and in disbelief, the commuter appeared at our 1-2 O'clock high, passing us and diving steeply on his visual. We estimated his spacing to be 500-1000 ft. To top it off, with all these RA's and GPWS warnings, visual sightings, keeping our traffic in sight, manually flying a visual to a runway change (selecting new ILS frequency for glide path guidance), we were given a frequency change to tower! The action of this commuter is typical of what can happen at sfo with their marginally safe visual approach policies. No aircraft should ever pass another at sfo because the runways are too close together!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LGT CREW, WITH A 'GLASS' COCKPIT, RESPONDED TO A TCASII ALERT TO DSND WHILE ON A PARALLEL VISUAL APCH TO SFO.
Narrative: ON APCH INTO SFO, WE WERE ESTABLISHED ON SFO 095 DEGS R FOR A VISUAL TO RWY 28R. WE WERE THEN CLRED FOR A VISUAL TO 28L TO FOLLOW AN ACR WHICH WE HAD IN SIGHT. FOR SPACING ON HIM, WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO REDUCE TO FINAL SPD RIGHT BEFORE THE SAN MATEO BRIDGE, AND DID SO. A TA WAS GIVEN TO US OF AN ACFT IN OUR 5 O'CLOCK 1 MI ON A VISUAL TO 38R, A COMMUTER, THAT HAD US IN SIGHT. WE THEN RECEIVED A TCASII RA TO 'DSND, DSND.' WE DID COMPLY. IN FACT, THE RATE REQUIRED TO FLY TO THE 'GREEN ARC' WAS SUCH THAT WE RECEIVED A GPWS WARNING OF OUR HIGH DSCNT RATE. THEN TO OUR AMAZEMENT, AND IN DISBELIEF, THE COMMUTER APPEARED AT OUR 1-2 O'CLOCK HIGH, PASSING US AND DIVING STEEPLY ON HIS VISUAL. WE ESTIMATED HIS SPACING TO BE 500-1000 FT. TO TOP IT OFF, WITH ALL THESE RA'S AND GPWS WARNINGS, VISUAL SIGHTINGS, KEEPING OUR TFC IN SIGHT, MANUALLY FLYING A VISUAL TO A RWY CHANGE (SELECTING NEW ILS FREQ FOR GLIDE PATH GUIDANCE), WE WERE GIVEN A FREQ CHANGE TO TWR! THE ACTION OF THIS COMMUTER IS TYPICAL OF WHAT CAN HAPPEN AT SFO WITH THEIR MARGINALLY SAFE VISUAL APCH POLICIES. NO ACFT SHOULD EVER PASS ANOTHER AT SFO BECAUSE THE RWYS ARE TOO CLOSE TOGETHER!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.