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Attributes | |
ACN | 225067 |
Time | |
Date | 199211 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : sbj |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1400 msl bound upper : 1400 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90 |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 5360 flight time type : 2200 |
ASRS Report | 225067 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I received a full briefing from miv FSS to include fdc NOTAM 2/6590. I plotted the prohibited airspace and planned a route to avoid it. When I read the newspaper the next morning, I saw where the president spent the night, 10 mi from the coordinates given in the NOTAM. I flew over the hotel twice in 25 mins. Obviously, I did not violate the published airspace, but my life could be made miserable. In previous presidential NOTAMS I have seen the name of the facility an/or town the president is visiting, i.e., waldorf hotel, included with the usual radial and distance from a VOR. Had this information been included, I would have seen that the coordinates and facility were different and asked questions. If no answers were available I would avoid both areas. I recommend that the federal government give both coordinates and facility name/town in all prohibited airspace NOTAMS. This would help an innocent crew from getting unwanted federal attention.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF CPR HELI EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH PRESIDENTIAL AIRSPACE RESTRICTED AREA.
Narrative: I RECEIVED A FULL BRIEFING FROM MIV FSS TO INCLUDE FDC NOTAM 2/6590. I PLOTTED THE PROHIBITED AIRSPACE AND PLANNED A RTE TO AVOID IT. WHEN I READ THE NEWSPAPER THE NEXT MORNING, I SAW WHERE THE PRESIDENT SPENT THE NIGHT, 10 MI FROM THE COORDINATES GIVEN IN THE NOTAM. I FLEW OVER THE HOTEL TWICE IN 25 MINS. OBVIOUSLY, I DID NOT VIOLATE THE PUBLISHED AIRSPACE, BUT MY LIFE COULD BE MADE MISERABLE. IN PREVIOUS PRESIDENTIAL NOTAMS I HAVE SEEN THE NAME OF THE FACILITY AN/OR TOWN THE PRESIDENT IS VISITING, I.E., WALDORF HOTEL, INCLUDED WITH THE USUAL RADIAL AND DISTANCE FROM A VOR. HAD THIS INFO BEEN INCLUDED, I WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT THE COORDINATES AND FACILITY WERE DIFFERENT AND ASKED QUESTIONS. IF NO ANSWERS WERE AVAILABLE I WOULD AVOID BOTH AREAS. I RECOMMEND THAT THE FEDERAL GOV GIVE BOTH COORDINATES AND FACILITY NAME/TOWN IN ALL PROHIBITED AIRSPACE NOTAMS. THIS WOULD HELP AN INNOCENT CREW FROM GETTING UNWANTED FEDERAL ATTN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.