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An air carrier large transport first officer complains about his company's deice and push out procedures at anc.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 227489 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199211 |
| Day | Sun |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : anc |
| State Reference | AK |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 8500 |
| ASRS Report | 227489 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Aircraft pushed off gate to deice. Ground crew requested to disconnect for deice and use hand signals. Captain requested ground crew hook back up for engine starts. Ground crew didn't want to due to cold WX but finally agreed. Once deice completed engine starts initiated. Ground crew, unhappy about having to hook back up, did not comment on starts and sent tug back to gate prior to engine starts being accomplished. Ground crew then moved under aircraft out of view of captain. After start checks completed. Taxi clearance requested and received. Turned nosewheel and added power. Ground crewman moved to be seen by captain and requested to disconnect. Removal of tug prior to ground crew disconnect was non standard and broke the normal chain of events designed to ensure everyone's safety. Supplemental information from acn 227354: aircraft needed deicing. Deice crew did not advise prior to starting deice procedure. Crew advised when complete. This was not in accordance with procedures of airline and did not allow flight crew to accurately measure time elapsed from deice to takeoff to ensure deice fluid still effective. Better communications and adherence to airline procedures are a must. Flight crew completed a visual inspection of wings prior to taxi.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN ACR LGT FO COMPLAINS ABOUT HIS COMPANY'S DEICE AND PUSH OUT PROCS AT ANC.
Narrative: ACFT PUSHED OFF GATE TO DEICE. GND CREW REQUESTED TO DISCONNECT FOR DEICE AND USE HAND SIGNALS. CAPT REQUESTED GND CREW HOOK BACK UP FOR ENG STARTS. GND CREW DIDN'T WANT TO DUE TO COLD WX BUT FINALLY AGREED. ONCE DEICE COMPLETED ENG STARTS INITIATED. GND CREW, UNHAPPY ABOUT HAVING TO HOOK BACK UP, DID NOT COMMENT ON STARTS AND SENT TUG BACK TO GATE PRIOR TO ENG STARTS BEING ACCOMPLISHED. GND CREW THEN MOVED UNDER ACFT OUT OF VIEW OF CAPT. AFTER START CHKS COMPLETED. TAXI CLRNC REQUESTED AND RECEIVED. TURNED NOSEWHEEL AND ADDED PWR. GND CREWMAN MOVED TO BE SEEN BY CAPT AND REQUESTED TO DISCONNECT. REMOVAL OF TUG PRIOR TO GND CREW DISCONNECT WAS NON STANDARD AND BROKE THE NORMAL CHAIN OF EVENTS DESIGNED TO ENSURE EVERYONE'S SAFETY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 227354: ACFT NEEDED DEICING. DEICE CREW DID NOT ADVISE PRIOR TO STARTING DEICE PROC. CREW ADVISED WHEN COMPLETE. THIS WAS NOT IN ACCORDANCE WITH PROCS OF AIRLINE AND DID NOT ALLOW FLC TO ACCURATELY MEASURE TIME ELAPSED FROM DEICE TO TKOF TO ENSURE DEICE FLUID STILL EFFECTIVE. BETTER COMS AND ADHERENCE TO AIRLINE PROCS ARE A MUST. FLC COMPLETED A VISUAL INSPECTION OF WINGS PRIOR TO TAXI.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.