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Attributes | |
ACN | 227871 |
Time | |
Date | 199212 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 9200 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : dfw tower : cak |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure other departure sid : sid enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time type : 75 |
ASRS Report | 227871 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 800 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I have been flying captain about 1 month domestically after 2 yrs of international flying. I've been surprised by the number of immediate climbs, dscnts, turns that I've been given by ATC in the last month. On this same trip we also got an RA from a light sel flying through the bna ILS course 20L. However, we had good visual contact on him prior to the RA and avoided him by deviating course behind the intruder. My gut question is,' is our positive control ATC system coming unglued?' climbing 250 KTS to 13000 ft on dallas 8, dfw departure. TA noted above and ahead right. Looked above and forward but no contact. RA noted, we reduced climb, leveling about 9200. ATC then called telling us to maintain 9000 ft as we were being overtaken from behind. Descended to 9000 and obtained visual contact ahead and to the right in a right hand turn. We had departed runway 35, maintaining 360 degrees much longer than normal. Then turned to heading 110 degrees to intercept 067 degree dfw with 8000 ft restriction. Later cleared above 10000. Intruder overtook us from behind. I do not know why intruder was at that altitude or speed near dfw.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT WITH SAME DIRECTION TFC.
Narrative: I HAVE BEEN FLYING CAPT ABOUT 1 MONTH DOMESTICALLY AFTER 2 YRS OF INTL FLYING. I'VE BEEN SURPRISED BY THE NUMBER OF IMMEDIATE CLBS, DSCNTS, TURNS THAT I'VE BEEN GIVEN BY ATC IN THE LAST MONTH. ON THIS SAME TRIP WE ALSO GOT AN RA FROM A LIGHT SEL FLYING THROUGH THE BNA ILS COURSE 20L. HOWEVER, WE HAD GOOD VISUAL CONTACT ON HIM PRIOR TO THE RA AND AVOIDED HIM BY DEVIATING COURSE BEHIND THE INTRUDER. MY GUT QUESTION IS,' IS OUR POSITIVE CTL ATC SYS COMING UNGLUED?' CLBING 250 KTS TO 13000 FT ON DALLAS 8, DFW DEP. TA NOTED ABOVE AND AHEAD R. LOOKED ABOVE AND FORWARD BUT NO CONTACT. RA NOTED, WE REDUCED CLB, LEVELING ABOUT 9200. ATC THEN CALLED TELLING US TO MAINTAIN 9000 FT AS WE WERE BEING OVERTAKEN FROM BEHIND. DSNDED TO 9000 AND OBTAINED VISUAL CONTACT AHEAD AND TO THE R IN A R HAND TURN. WE HAD DEPARTED RWY 35, MAINTAINING 360 DEGS MUCH LONGER THAN NORMAL. THEN TURNED TO HDG 110 DEGS TO INTERCEPT 067 DEG DFW WITH 8000 FT RESTRICTION. LATER CLRED ABOVE 10000. INTRUDER OVERTOOK US FROM BEHIND. I DO NOT KNOW WHY INTRUDER WAS AT THAT ALT OR SPD NEAR DFW.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.