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Attributes | |
ACN | 231888 |
Time | |
Date | 199301 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : msp |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 231888 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Airport |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
Airport | other physical facility |
Narrative:
Usually ATC people are very good at using correct terminology, but around their own local airport they often lapse into jargon. Attached is an example that is often used. Nowhere on the airport diagram published by X is there a 'navy' (small north) or is it 'navy (capital north) -- ramp. Do you suppose it belongs to the united states navy, or is it painted dark blue? In either case, I have no idea where it is located, and I am an air carrier pilot (not msp-based). The title of the ramp is okay, just change the diagram.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF ACR MLG ACFT QUESTIONED THE LOCATION OF AN ACFT DE-ICING RAMP AREA REFED TO IN A COMPANY 'NOTAM.'
Narrative: USUALLY ATC PEOPLE ARE VERY GOOD AT USING CORRECT TERMINOLOGY, BUT AROUND THEIR OWN LCL ARPT THEY OFTEN LAPSE INTO JARGON. ATTACHED IS AN EXAMPLE THAT IS OFTEN USED. NOWHERE ON THE ARPT DIAGRAM PUBLISHED BY X IS THERE A 'NAVY' (SMALL N) OR IS IT 'NAVY (CAPITAL N) -- RAMP. DO YOU SUPPOSE IT BELONGS TO THE UNITED STATES NAVY, OR IS IT PAINTED DARK BLUE? IN EITHER CASE, I HAVE NO IDEA WHERE IT IS LOCATED, AND I AM AN ACR PLT (NOT MSP-BASED). THE TITLE OF THE RAMP IS OKAY, JUST CHANGE THE DIAGRAM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.