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Attributes | |
ACN | 232497 |
Time | |
Date | 199301 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mip |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 19000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : slc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | arrival other enroute airway : zny |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time total : 15000 |
ASRS Report | 232497 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4100 flight time type : 320 |
ASRS Report | 232498 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met altitude deviation : undershoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight had been given an initial crossing restriction of 'cross marrc intersection at FL190.' our flight made that crossing restriction with no problem. Shortly thereafter, the captain of this 2 man crew left the ATC frequency to address the passenger and answer a question for the lead flight attendant, who had entered the cockpit during this time frame. During the captain's absence from the frequency, ATC had issued a crossing restriction of 'cross vibes at 13000 ft,' which the first officer acknowledged and relayed to the captain. I believe the cause of our being unable to make the vibes crossing restriction was due to a combination of factors. First, let it be known that we immediately confessed our inability to make the crossing restriction at vibes intersection. Contributing factors include: captain off ATC frequency when clearance was issued. First officer thought captain had fully acknowledged and understood the new crossing restriction. Lead flight attendant entering the cockpit with distraction. Excessive tailwinds at our altitude, 80 KTS plus. Automatic flight system on this aircraft was exceptionally slow to react to descent input (VNAV) and was slow at altitude capture, overshoot of level off by as much as 400 ft. Jump seater in the cockpit (slight distraction). Finally, ATC was more than forgiving and accommodating with our dilemma, and issued a new crossing restriction of 'cross lizzi intersection at 11000 ft.' no further incident was incurred, but this crew was motivated to share our experience.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT MISSES XING RESTRICTION. NOTIFIES ATC, NEW CLRNC ISSUED.
Narrative: FLT HAD BEEN GIVEN AN INITIAL XING RESTRICTION OF 'CROSS MARRC INTXN AT FL190.' OUR FLT MADE THAT XING RESTRICTION WITH NO PROB. SHORTLY THEREAFTER, THE CAPT OF THIS 2 MAN CREW LEFT THE ATC FREQ TO ADDRESS THE PAX AND ANSWER A QUESTION FOR THE LEAD FLT ATTENDANT, WHO HAD ENTERED THE COCKPIT DURING THIS TIME FRAME. DURING THE CAPT'S ABSENCE FROM THE FREQ, ATC HAD ISSUED A XING RESTRICTION OF 'CROSS VIBES AT 13000 FT,' WHICH THE FO ACKNOWLEDGED AND RELAYED TO THE CAPT. I BELIEVE THE CAUSE OF OUR BEING UNABLE TO MAKE THE VIBES XING RESTRICTION WAS DUE TO A COMBINATION OF FACTORS. FIRST, LET IT BE KNOWN THAT WE IMMEDIATELY CONFESSED OUR INABILITY TO MAKE THE XING RESTRICTION AT VIBES INTXN. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS INCLUDE: CAPT OFF ATC FREQ WHEN CLRNC WAS ISSUED. FO THOUGHT CAPT HAD FULLY ACKNOWLEDGED AND UNDERSTOOD THE NEW XING RESTRICTION. LEAD FLT ATTENDANT ENTERING THE COCKPIT WITH DISTR. EXCESSIVE TAILWINDS AT OUR ALT, 80 KTS PLUS. AUTO FLT SYS ON THIS ACFT WAS EXCEPTIONALLY SLOW TO REACT TO DSCNT INPUT (VNAV) AND WAS SLOW AT ALT CAPTURE, OVERSHOOT OF LEVEL OFF BY AS MUCH AS 400 FT. JUMP SEATER IN THE COCKPIT (SLIGHT DISTR). FINALLY, ATC WAS MORE THAN FORGIVING AND ACCOMMODATING WITH OUR DILEMMA, AND ISSUED A NEW XING RESTRICTION OF 'CROSS LIZZI INTXN AT 11000 FT.' NO FURTHER INCIDENT WAS INCURRED, BUT THIS CREW WAS MOTIVATED TO SHARE OUR EXPERIENCE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.