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Attributes | |
ACN | 233213 |
Time | |
Date | 199302 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : tnp |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 37000 msl bound upper : 38000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors enroute airway : zla |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 325 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 233213 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
ZLA cleared us to descend from FL390 to FL350. We started a descent of 1000 FPM. At approximately FL383, we were told by ZLA to turn immediately 20 degrees to the left and level at FL380, which we did. We were then told we had traffic at 1 O'clock at FL370. We did confirm this on the TCASII. We passed the traffic at approximately 1 1/2 - 2 NM horizontal distance and 1000 ft vertical distance. TCASII never gave us a conflict alert due to the 1000 FPM descent rate. ZLA did vector us back on course but did not change our altitude for several more mins. The controller was not replaced nor was the turn and level-off given by a supervisor. Possibly WX and traffic into lax could have been part of the problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: LGT ON DSCNT IS STOPPED AND VECTORED FOR TFC. LTSS.
Narrative: ZLA CLRED US TO DSND FROM FL390 TO FL350. WE STARTED A DSCNT OF 1000 FPM. AT APPROX FL383, WE WERE TOLD BY ZLA TO TURN IMMEDIATELY 20 DEGS TO THE L AND LEVEL AT FL380, WHICH WE DID. WE WERE THEN TOLD WE HAD TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK AT FL370. WE DID CONFIRM THIS ON THE TCASII. WE PASSED THE TFC AT APPROX 1 1/2 - 2 NM HORIZ DISTANCE AND 1000 FT VERT DISTANCE. TCASII NEVER GAVE US A CONFLICT ALERT DUE TO THE 1000 FPM DSCNT RATE. ZLA DID VECTOR US BACK ON COURSE BUT DID NOT CHANGE OUR ALT FOR SEVERAL MORE MINS. THE CTLR WAS NOT REPLACED NOR WAS THE TURN AND LEVEL-OFF GIVEN BY A SUPVR. POSSIBLY WX AND TFC INTO LAX COULD HAVE BEEN PART OF THE PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.