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Odd levels of ground flight crew coordination exhibited in preflight procedure deicing on air carrier medium large transport.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 235603 |
| Time | |
| Date | 199303 |
| Day | Thu |
| Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : mdw |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Dawn |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : nqx |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | ground : holding ground : preflight ground other : taxi |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 160 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 350 |
| ASRS Report | 235603 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : atp |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On mar/thu/93, I was captain of flight from mdw to pit. Because of a snow flurry, I arranged to deice. The deice crew performed a preliminary (but inadequate) application at the gate. They said they would complete the job after pushback. Pushback was normal with communication conducted between me and the ground crewman via interphone. After the brakes were parked, I said, 'company policy requires that when deicing is completed, for you to give me the time and your payroll number for our records.' soon after, he said, 'time is AM45, solution 50/50, type I. My payroll number is xxxxx.' he then disconnected from the aircraft, waved me off, and walked back to the terminal. When I landed in pit, I was met by my flight manager who informed me that mdw charged that I had started both engines and taxied out with crew still deicing tail of aircraft. If so, there is no way I could have known beyond using normal procedures and communication.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ODD LEVELS OF GND FLC COORD EXHIBITED IN PREFLT PROC DEICING ON ACR MLG.
Narrative: ON MAR/THU/93, I WAS CAPT OF FLT FROM MDW TO PIT. BECAUSE OF A SNOW FLURRY, I ARRANGED TO DEICE. THE DEICE CREW PERFORMED A PRELIMINARY (BUT INADEQUATE) APPLICATION AT THE GATE. THEY SAID THEY WOULD COMPLETE THE JOB AFTER PUSHBACK. PUSHBACK WAS NORMAL WITH COM CONDUCTED BTWN ME AND THE GND CREWMAN VIA INTERPHONE. AFTER THE BRAKES WERE PARKED, I SAID, 'COMPANY POLICY REQUIRES THAT WHEN DEICING IS COMPLETED, FOR YOU TO GIVE ME THE TIME AND YOUR PAYROLL NUMBER FOR OUR RECORDS.' SOON AFTER, HE SAID, 'TIME IS AM45, SOLUTION 50/50, TYPE I. MY PAYROLL NUMBER IS XXXXX.' HE THEN DISCONNECTED FROM THE ACFT, WAVED ME OFF, AND WALKED BACK TO THE TERMINAL. WHEN I LANDED IN PIT, I WAS MET BY MY FLT MGR WHO INFORMED ME THAT MDW CHARGED THAT I HAD STARTED BOTH ENGS AND TAXIED OUT WITH CREW STILL DEICING TAIL OF ACFT. IF SO, THERE IS NO WAY I COULD HAVE KNOWN BEYOND USING NORMAL PROCS AND COM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.