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Attributes | |
ACN | 237089 |
Time | |
Date | 199303 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : fnt |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : fnt |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Transport, High Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 4500 flight time type : 170 |
ASRS Report | 237089 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | vertical : 700 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : unspecified |
Narrative:
Initially we were cleared from 4000 ft to 3000 ft then our clearance was changed to descend and maintain 2300 ft, heading 360 degrees. The controller then became aware that the VFR traffic she was working was below us and in front of us. The controller then gave the VFR aircraft a 140 degree heading and told us to stop descent at 3000 ft. We were just going through about 3050 ft at 1000-1200 FPM. We stopped descent at 3000 ft and the VFR traffic came up on TCASII as cautionary traffic at approximately 3.5 to 4.0 mi and 400 ft below us. In a couple of seconds an RA followed. We climbed at 1500 FPM to 3500 ft then started our descent back to 3000 ft. We advised ATC as soon as possible of our RA (there was a short delay due to frequency congestion, approximately 7 or 8 seconds). The controller was upset about our RA. She was concerned about other IFR traffic at 4000 ft to the west of our position (approximately 5-6 mi). After landing I received a message to call the ATC manager. He informed me that there would be an investigation of this matter. It seemed obvious to me that ATC in fnt knew little of TCASII, and did not like our response to the TCASII. It is mandatory that we comply with all RA's.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MDT CLBS ABOVE ASSIGNED ALT WHEN A TCASII RA IS RECEIVED.
Narrative: INITIALLY WE WERE CLRED FROM 4000 FT TO 3000 FT THEN OUR CLRNC WAS CHANGED TO DSND AND MAINTAIN 2300 FT, HDG 360 DEGS. THE CTLR THEN BECAME AWARE THAT THE VFR TFC SHE WAS WORKING WAS BELOW US AND IN FRONT OF US. THE CTLR THEN GAVE THE VFR ACFT A 140 DEG HDG AND TOLD US TO STOP DSCNT AT 3000 FT. WE WERE JUST GOING THROUGH ABOUT 3050 FT AT 1000-1200 FPM. WE STOPPED DSCNT AT 3000 FT AND THE VFR TFC CAME UP ON TCASII AS CAUTIONARY TFC AT APPROX 3.5 TO 4.0 MI AND 400 FT BELOW US. IN A COUPLE OF SECONDS AN RA FOLLOWED. WE CLBED AT 1500 FPM TO 3500 FT THEN STARTED OUR DSCNT BACK TO 3000 FT. WE ADVISED ATC ASAP OF OUR RA (THERE WAS A SHORT DELAY DUE TO FREQ CONGESTION, APPROX 7 OR 8 SECONDS). THE CTLR WAS UPSET ABOUT OUR RA. SHE WAS CONCERNED ABOUT OTHER IFR TFC AT 4000 FT TO THE W OF OUR POS (APPROX 5-6 MI). AFTER LNDG I RECEIVED A MESSAGE TO CALL THE ATC MGR. HE INFORMED ME THAT THERE WOULD BE AN INVESTIGATION OF THIS MATTER. IT SEEMED OBVIOUS TO ME THAT ATC IN FNT KNEW LITTLE OF TCASII, AND DID NOT LIKE OUR RESPONSE TO THE TCASII. IT IS MANDATORY THAT WE COMPLY WITH ALL RA'S.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.