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Attributes | |
ACN | 238593 |
Time | |
Date | 199304 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zau |
State Reference | IL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 11500 |
ASRS Report | 238593 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 18000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
TCASII TA alert of an intruder rapidly descending toward our cruise altitude of 35000 ft, 12:30 position, approximately 8 mi. We asked center what he was doing and were told there was no aircraft in that position at that altitude. He then asked a small outfit operating out of mid-west his altitude and was told approximately 35900 ft descending to 29000 ft. ATC told him to immediately return to 39000 ft which was his assigned altitude and then left to 360 degrees. In the meantime, we responded to our TCASII RA and began a descent and left turn. No visual contact was made and the intruder was clear of any conflict very quickly. Our concern was that our TCASII instruction was to descend into a rapidly descending aircraft at our 12 O'clock position. Had we not both initiated opposite turns we would most likely have passed very close to each other. This will hopefully be ammunition to use in the plan to develop 'multi-directional' TCASII as compared to the 'vertical only' RA mode we have at present.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACFT DSNDS TO SATISFY TCASII RA.
Narrative: TCASII TA ALERT OF AN INTRUDER RAPIDLY DSNDING TOWARD OUR CRUISE ALT OF 35000 FT, 12:30 POS, APPROX 8 MI. WE ASKED CTR WHAT HE WAS DOING AND WERE TOLD THERE WAS NO ACFT IN THAT POS AT THAT ALT. HE THEN ASKED A SMALL OUTFIT OPERATING OUT OF MID-WEST HIS ALT AND WAS TOLD APPROX 35900 FT DSNDING TO 29000 FT. ATC TOLD HIM TO IMMEDIATELY RETURN TO 39000 FT WHICH WAS HIS ASSIGNED ALT AND THEN L TO 360 DEGS. IN THE MEANTIME, WE RESPONDED TO OUR TCASII RA AND BEGAN A DSCNT AND L TURN. NO VISUAL CONTACT WAS MADE AND THE INTRUDER WAS CLR OF ANY CONFLICT VERY QUICKLY. OUR CONCERN WAS THAT OUR TCASII INSTRUCTION WAS TO DSND INTO A RAPIDLY DSNDING ACFT AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS. HAD WE NOT BOTH INITIATED OPPOSITE TURNS WE WOULD MOST LIKELY HAVE PASSED VERY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. THIS WILL HOPEFULLY BE AMMUNITION TO USE IN THE PLAN TO DEVELOP 'MULTI-DIRECTIONAL' TCASII AS COMPARED TO THE 'VERT ONLY' RA MODE WE HAVE AT PRESENT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.