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Attributes | |
ACN | 238703 |
Time | |
Date | 199304 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 20500 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 238703 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 12500 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 238702 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : assigned or threatened penalties faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Another FAA air carrier inspector conflict. Inspector boarded aircraft in stl during a very short stop. Came into cockpit with only FAA credential #110A. Was told that we also needed FAA form 8430-13 'access to aircraft.' said 'I gave it to gate agent.' we said, please retrieve it and give it to us. Situation created obvious conflict. Left cockpit. Started quizzing flight attendant greeting passenger about emergency exit procedures. Was told by me that if he needed to ask questions, please either wait until passenger boarded or until aircraft at destination. Inspector also did not know how to operate jump seat or oxygen, delaying pushback. Flight uneventful until arrival at destination. Inspector about to leave aircraft when asked, 'do you have anything for us?' he replied, 'yes the copilot's altimeter is sticking and you have a light out on copilot's DME.' he then thanked us and left before we had an opportunity to ask him to elaborate. The altimeter on the copilot side of medium large transport is analog type altimeter. However, during flight from stl-mci first officer never observed it to hesitate. The DME display was missing the digit on the 10TH decimal, but was readable. We were informed that this inspector wrote us up for not grounding aircraft. I suggest that if FAA has a problem with airworthiness of aircraft it needs to be brought to flight crew's attention. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that the FAA inspector was interrupted from questioning the lead flight attendant by him since she was monitoring passenger boarding and should not be doing other duty at that time. He believes that this upset the inspector to the point that he was trying to find a discrepancy to 'write up' and was further not cooperative in the way he handled the debriefing. He stated that the first officer had not seen any problem with the altimeter and requested to know when the instrument showed a problem. The FAA inspector could not remember when it showed a problem. However, he has sent a letter of investigation for operating the aircraft when this instrument was not working properly since it is a no 'MEL' item. Therefore, the aircraft should have been grounded. The reporter further stated that he intends to 'fight' this allegation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CAPT OF MLG ACR ACFT OPERATED ACFT IN UNAIRWORTHY CONDITION AFTER FAA AVIONICS AIRWORTHINESS INSPECTOR NOTED A MALFUNCTIONING ALTIMETER.
Narrative: ANOTHER FAA ACR INSPECTOR CONFLICT. INSPECTOR BOARDED ACFT IN STL DURING A VERY SHORT STOP. CAME INTO COCKPIT WITH ONLY FAA CREDENTIAL #110A. WAS TOLD THAT WE ALSO NEEDED FAA FORM 8430-13 'ACCESS TO ACFT.' SAID 'I GAVE IT TO GATE AGENT.' WE SAID, PLEASE RETRIEVE IT AND GIVE IT TO US. SIT CREATED OBVIOUS CONFLICT. LEFT COCKPIT. STARTED QUIZZING FLT ATTENDANT GREETING PAX ABOUT EMER EXIT PROCS. WAS TOLD BY ME THAT IF HE NEEDED TO ASK QUESTIONS, PLEASE EITHER WAIT UNTIL PAX BOARDED OR UNTIL ACFT AT DEST. INSPECTOR ALSO DID NOT KNOW HOW TO OPERATE JUMP SEAT OR OXYGEN, DELAYING PUSHBACK. FLT UNEVENTFUL UNTIL ARR AT DEST. INSPECTOR ABOUT TO LEAVE ACFT WHEN ASKED, 'DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING FOR US?' HE REPLIED, 'YES THE COPLT'S ALTIMETER IS STICKING AND YOU HAVE A LIGHT OUT ON COPLT'S DME.' HE THEN THANKED US AND LEFT BEFORE WE HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO ASK HIM TO ELABORATE. THE ALTIMETER ON THE COPLT SIDE OF MLG IS ANALOG TYPE ALTIMETER. HOWEVER, DURING FLT FROM STL-MCI FO NEVER OBSERVED IT TO HESITATE. THE DME DISPLAY WAS MISSING THE DIGIT ON THE 10TH DECIMAL, BUT WAS READABLE. WE WERE INFORMED THAT THIS INSPECTOR WROTE US UP FOR NOT GNDING ACFT. I SUGGEST THAT IF FAA HAS A PROB WITH AIRWORTHINESS OF ACFT IT NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT TO FLC'S ATTN. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT THE FAA INSPECTOR WAS INTERRUPTED FROM QUESTIONING THE LEAD FLT ATTENDANT BY HIM SINCE SHE WAS MONITORING PAX BOARDING AND SHOULD NOT BE DOING OTHER DUTY AT THAT TIME. HE BELIEVES THAT THIS UPSET THE INSPECTOR TO THE POINT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO FIND A DISCREPANCY TO 'WRITE UP' AND WAS FURTHER NOT COOPERATIVE IN THE WAY HE HANDLED THE DEBRIEFING. HE STATED THAT THE FO HAD NOT SEEN ANY PROB WITH THE ALTIMETER AND REQUESTED TO KNOW WHEN THE INST SHOWED A PROB. THE FAA INSPECTOR COULD NOT REMEMBER WHEN IT SHOWED A PROB. HOWEVER, HE HAS SENT A LETTER OF INVESTIGATION FOR OPERATING THE ACFT WHEN THIS INST WAS NOT WORKING PROPERLY SINCE IT IS A NO 'MEL' ITEM. THEREFORE, THE ACFT SHOULD HAVE BEEN GNDED. THE RPTR FURTHER STATED THAT HE INTENDS TO 'FIGHT' THIS ALLEGATION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.