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Attributes | |
ACN | 240060 |
Time | |
Date | 199304 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mdw |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1600 msl bound upper : 2200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mdw |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 8877 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 240060 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 240478 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : took evasive action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were cleared for an ILS and landing on runway 4 at midway (chicago). When descending through approximately 2000 ft on the GS our TCASII gave a TA showing an aircraft 700 ft below us. We looked but couldn't see it. The tower was talking and we couldn't break in to ask. The tower had not issued an advisory on traffic. When descending through approximately 1600 ft, we received an RA to climb. We still could not see the aircraft. I immediately began a climb and my copilot called tower with a missed approach advisory. The tower then stated the traffic was a helicopter maneuvering below us to continue the approach. We were too high to safely land. I leveled at 2200 ft when we received an advisory 'clear of traffic' and then followed tower instructions for missed approach by first descending to 2000 ft, right turn to 090 degrees, then climb to 2600 ft and turned over to approach control for second approach and landing. All the way around on the second approach after recontacting the tower, we received traffic advisories on aircraft that were obviously not in conflict with us. They were obviously upset with our missed approach and ended our conversation with 'you are lucky there were no aircraft above you at 2000 ft.' I contacted mdw tower via phone after the flight and talked to the controller, who declined to give me his name. He said he felt the TCASII system 'demeaned his position' as a controller. I fear I was unable to convince him our intention was to miss unrpted traffic and not to openly defy him. Supplemental information from acn 240478: the tower operator was upset with us for taking an evasive action and told us it was helicopter traffic, that we had been told about, that we had maneuvered to avoid. First the traffic was never pointed out to us, and second, in the terminal area with no visual contact with the traffic I am going to heed the TCASII. If I can't visually sight the traffic and the TCASII gives a command I will follow it. If we can't trust the TCASII let's get them out of all aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR PIC MAKES A MISSED APCH GAR AFTER TCASII RA ON UNKNOWN VFR NORAC TFC INDICATED BELOW HIS ACFT WHILE ON AN ILS APCH. POTENTIAL CONFLICT.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR AN ILS AND LNDG ON RWY 4 AT MIDWAY (CHICAGO). WHEN DSNDING THROUGH APPROX 2000 FT ON THE GS OUR TCASII GAVE A TA SHOWING AN ACFT 700 FT BELOW US. WE LOOKED BUT COULDN'T SEE IT. THE TWR WAS TALKING AND WE COULDN'T BREAK IN TO ASK. THE TWR HAD NOT ISSUED AN ADVISORY ON TFC. WHEN DSNDING THROUGH APPROX 1600 FT, WE RECEIVED AN RA TO CLB. WE STILL COULD NOT SEE THE ACFT. I IMMEDIATELY BEGAN A CLB AND MY COPLT CALLED TWR WITH A MISSED APCH ADVISORY. THE TWR THEN STATED THE TFC WAS A HELI MANEUVERING BELOW US TO CONTINUE THE APCH. WE WERE TOO HIGH TO SAFELY LAND. I LEVELED AT 2200 FT WHEN WE RECEIVED AN ADVISORY 'CLR OF TFC' AND THEN FOLLOWED TWR INSTRUCTIONS FOR MISSED APCH BY FIRST DSNDING TO 2000 FT, R TURN TO 090 DEGS, THEN CLB TO 2600 FT AND TURNED OVER TO APCH CTL FOR SECOND APCH AND LNDG. ALL THE WAY AROUND ON THE SECOND APCH AFTER RECONTACTING THE TWR, WE RECEIVED TFC ADVISORIES ON ACFT THAT WERE OBVIOUSLY NOT IN CONFLICT WITH US. THEY WERE OBVIOUSLY UPSET WITH OUR MISSED APCH AND ENDED OUR CONVERSATION WITH 'YOU ARE LUCKY THERE WERE NO ACFT ABOVE YOU AT 2000 FT.' I CONTACTED MDW TWR VIA PHONE AFTER THE FLT AND TALKED TO THE CTLR, WHO DECLINED TO GIVE ME HIS NAME. HE SAID HE FELT THE TCASII SYS 'DEMEANED HIS POS' AS A CTLR. I FEAR I WAS UNABLE TO CONVINCE HIM OUR INTENTION WAS TO MISS UNRPTED TFC AND NOT TO OPENLY DEFY HIM. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 240478: THE TWR OPERATOR WAS UPSET WITH US FOR TAKING AN EVASIVE ACTION AND TOLD US IT WAS HELI TFC, THAT WE HAD BEEN TOLD ABOUT, THAT WE HAD MANEUVERED TO AVOID. FIRST THE TFC WAS NEVER POINTED OUT TO US, AND SECOND, IN THE TERMINAL AREA WITH NO VISUAL CONTACT WITH THE TFC I AM GOING TO HEED THE TCASII. IF I CAN'T VISUALLY SIGHT THE TFC AND THE TCASII GIVES A COMMAND I WILL FOLLOW IT. IF WE CAN'T TRUST THE TCASII LET'S GET THEM OUT OF ALL ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.