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Attributes | |
ACN | 240809 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 240809 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Recently, I was called upon to fly and crew an aircraft from a seat in which my total FAA approved qualified experience was: simulator takeoff and landing (1) during initial training (ridiculous -- you had to be there), then simulator takeoff and landing (1) during recurrent (6 month) training. Proficient, no! Procedural knowledge, minimal. Safe, by FAA standards 'qualified,' by company standards qualified, by my standards unsafe! That's a professional opinion! This occurs on a daily basis throughout our company -- probably industry. A regional air carrier, sure, I am type rated for this aircraft, but all of the intense procedural training was focused and directed for a left seat occupancy. My transition was left seat aircraft type a to left seat type B. Some of our capts have upgraded from the right seat, and that is fine for those folks. My contention, if I am to truly be qualified both pilot seats, I should receive equal training and proficiency for both seats. Of course our company can't afford that, but have FAA approval for a simulator takeoff landing as acceptable training and qualification, regardless of how well the takeoff was, or whether the simulator crashed, ricochetted or otherwise during landing. Professional opinion: qualified, but unsafe! P.south. I didn't do it -- the other captain agreed with me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR CONCERN REF R SEAT QUALIFICATION STANDARDS.
Narrative: RECENTLY, I WAS CALLED UPON TO FLY AND CREW AN ACFT FROM A SEAT IN WHICH MY TOTAL FAA APPROVED QUALIFIED EXPERIENCE WAS: SIMULATOR TKOF AND LNDG (1) DURING INITIAL TRAINING (RIDICULOUS -- YOU HAD TO BE THERE), THEN SIMULATOR TKOF AND LNDG (1) DURING RECURRENT (6 MONTH) TRAINING. PROFICIENT, NO! PROCEDURAL KNOWLEDGE, MINIMAL. SAFE, BY FAA STANDARDS 'QUALIFIED,' BY COMPANY STANDARDS QUALIFIED, BY MY STANDARDS UNSAFE! THAT'S A PROFESSIONAL OPINION! THIS OCCURS ON A DAILY BASIS THROUGHOUT OUR COMPANY -- PROBABLY INDUSTRY. A REGIONAL ACR, SURE, I AM TYPE RATED FOR THIS ACFT, BUT ALL OF THE INTENSE PROCEDURAL TRAINING WAS FOCUSED AND DIRECTED FOR A L SEAT OCCUPANCY. MY TRANSITION WAS L SEAT ACFT TYPE A TO LEFT SEAT TYPE B. SOME OF OUR CAPTS HAVE UPGRADED FROM THE R SEAT, AND THAT IS FINE FOR THOSE FOLKS. MY CONTENTION, IF I AM TO TRULY BE QUALIFIED BOTH PLT SEATS, I SHOULD RECEIVE EQUAL TRAINING AND PROFICIENCY FOR BOTH SEATS. OF COURSE OUR COMPANY CAN'T AFFORD THAT, BUT HAVE FAA APPROVAL FOR A SIMULATOR TKOF LNDG AS ACCEPTABLE TRAINING AND QUALIFICATION, REGARDLESS OF HOW WELL THE TKOF WAS, OR WHETHER THE SIMULATOR CRASHED, RICOCHETTED OR OTHERWISE DURING LNDG. PROFESSIONAL OPINION: QUALIFIED, BUT UNSAFE! P.S. I DIDN'T DO IT -- THE OTHER CAPT AGREED WITH ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.