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Attributes | |
ACN | 241433 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 241433 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We believe our company has forced us to violate far 121.505(B) under supplemental air carrier rules. 'No pilot of an airplane that has a crew of 2 pilots may be on duty for more than 16 hours during any 24 consecutive hours.' we were on duty at XN00 EDT on fri and 'off' duty at XV00 EDT on fri. We were then required to 'show' at XF00 EDT on sat after flying 3 1/2 hours on fri. We are currently on duty at XF00 EDT on sun after flying 5.5 hours. We are now scheduled to fly from ewr to mdw with an ETA in mdw at XP30 EDT. We interpret 121.505(B) to put us in violation of this regulation. The company (based in dfw) believes that we are legal to fly this leg.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RPTR COMPLAINS ABOUT FAR DUTY TIME PROVISION.
Narrative: WE BELIEVE OUR COMPANY HAS FORCED US TO VIOLATE FAR 121.505(B) UNDER SUPPLEMENTAL ACR RULES. 'NO PLT OF AN AIRPLANE THAT HAS A CREW OF 2 PLTS MAY BE ON DUTY FOR MORE THAN 16 HRS DURING ANY 24 CONSECUTIVE HRS.' WE WERE ON DUTY AT XN00 EDT ON FRI AND 'OFF' DUTY AT XV00 EDT ON FRI. WE WERE THEN REQUIRED TO 'SHOW' AT XF00 EDT ON SAT AFTER FLYING 3 1/2 HRS ON FRI. WE ARE CURRENTLY ON DUTY AT XF00 EDT ON SUN AFTER FLYING 5.5 HRS. WE ARE NOW SCHEDULED TO FLY FROM EWR TO MDW WITH AN ETA IN MDW AT XP30 EDT. WE INTERPRET 121.505(B) TO PUT US IN VIOLATION OF THIS REG. THE COMPANY (BASED IN DFW) BELIEVES THAT WE ARE LEGAL TO FLY THIS LEG.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.