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Attributes | |
ACN | 242360 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Sun |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : mco |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5500 msl bound upper : 5800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : mco |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 225 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 12000 |
ASRS Report | 242360 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 6500 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 242359 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : unspecified |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
After about 6 calls controller told air carrier X, go to a different frequency. She said we were on wrong frequency. We switched and were acknowledged and told to turn to 030 degrees and when established descend to 3000 ft. No particular urgency in request. Going through about 6000 ft we were told to turn right direct to mco VOR. In the turn we had a TCASII TA which immediately turned to an RA with a climb command. Our traffic was an air carrier Y at 12 O'clock and about 1/2 mi and 500 ft below us. We were descending into him. We climbed, continued the turn, told approach we were responding to an RA, and then resumed our descent when clear of traffic. We then immediately saw an large transport ahead below 1/2 to 1 mi 500-1000 ft below us and at 12 O'clock. He was banking and finishing his turn to final for runway 17 and probably not aware of us. After we told approach we were responding to an RA he told us large transport had us in sight. Prior to this he had not mentioned the traffic to us. After this was all sorted out I said to approach, you have a real flying circus out here. He then responded to me, yeah and you're not helping things either. He then cleared us for a visual ILS to runway 18R and told us to switch to tower. Tower switched runways again to land on runway 18L. Just out of 1000 ft above touchdown we received another RA 700 ft under us and commanded a climb. We didn't climb. We did not see any traffic. We figured whatever it was it was on or very near the ground. On the ground I called the tower chief and we had about 20 mins conversation. He indicated to me that 1) he was standing behind controllers and saw the whole thing. 2) he did not indicate that we had done anything wrong. 3) he was going to pull tapes and make sure of what had happened and use his information for training purposes.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR X VISUAL SEPARATION IN USE TCASII TA RA EVASIVE ACTION TAKEN FROM ACR Y. PLTDEV. ACR X FALSE TCASII RA ON FINAL APCH.
Narrative: AFTER ABOUT 6 CALLS CTLR TOLD ACR X, GO TO A DIFFERENT FREQ. SHE SAID WE WERE ON WRONG FREQ. WE SWITCHED AND WERE ACKNOWLEDGED AND TOLD TO TURN TO 030 DEGS AND WHEN ESTABLISHED DSND TO 3000 FT. NO PARTICULAR URGENCY IN REQUEST. GOING THROUGH ABOUT 6000 FT WE WERE TOLD TO TURN R DIRECT TO MCO VOR. IN THE TURN WE HAD A TCASII TA WHICH IMMEDIATELY TURNED TO AN RA WITH A CLB COMMAND. OUR TFC WAS AN ACR Y AT 12 O'CLOCK AND ABOUT 1/2 MI AND 500 FT BELOW US. WE WERE DSNDING INTO HIM. WE CLBED, CONTINUED THE TURN, TOLD APCH WE WERE RESPONDING TO AN RA, AND THEN RESUMED OUR DSCNT WHEN CLR OF TFC. WE THEN IMMEDIATELY SAW AN LGT AHEAD BELOW 1/2 TO 1 MI 500-1000 FT BELOW US AND AT 12 O'CLOCK. HE WAS BANKING AND FINISHING HIS TURN TO FINAL FOR RWY 17 AND PROBABLY NOT AWARE OF US. AFTER WE TOLD APCH WE WERE RESPONDING TO AN RA HE TOLD US LGT HAD US IN SIGHT. PRIOR TO THIS HE HAD NOT MENTIONED THE TFC TO US. AFTER THIS WAS ALL SORTED OUT I SAID TO APCH, YOU HAVE A REAL FLYING CIRCUS OUT HERE. HE THEN RESPONDED TO ME, YEAH AND YOU'RE NOT HELPING THINGS EITHER. HE THEN CLRED US FOR A VISUAL ILS TO RWY 18R AND TOLD US TO SWITCH TO TWR. TWR SWITCHED RWYS AGAIN TO LAND ON RWY 18L. JUST OUT OF 1000 FT ABOVE TOUCHDOWN WE RECEIVED ANOTHER RA 700 FT UNDER US AND COMMANDED A CLB. WE DIDN'T CLB. WE DID NOT SEE ANY TFC. WE FIGURED WHATEVER IT WAS IT WAS ON OR VERY NEAR THE GND. ON THE GND I CALLED THE TWR CHIEF AND WE HAD ABOUT 20 MINS CONVERSATION. HE INDICATED TO ME THAT 1) HE WAS STANDING BEHIND CTLRS AND SAW THE WHOLE THING. 2) HE DID NOT INDICATE THAT WE HAD DONE ANYTHING WRONG. 3) HE WAS GOING TO PULL TAPES AND MAKE SURE OF WHAT HAD HAPPENED AND USE HIS INFO FOR TRAINING PURPOSES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.