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Attributes | |
ACN | 242558 |
Time | |
Date | 199305 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zzz |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 1500 msl bound upper : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : zzz artcc : zhu |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Helicopter |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 242558 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air taxi |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were returning from abc on a neonatal flight. We were radar flight following with abc. We were handed off to xyz and then handed off to ZZZ approach control. I made the usual call after tuning in our discrete transponder code, i.e., direction altitude and destination. There was a discussion going on in the aircraft because at a hospital meeting we were told the hospital was going with a different vender and the pilots, mechanics and communications would be out of a job! In hindsight I can't honestly say if ZZZ answered or not. We (pilots) have a very good relationship with the controllers. When I called approach to inform them we were landing, the controller stated, 'I never cleared you in the TCA.' I was taken aback by this. After I landed our communications called me and said some irate person called and said if you didn't call him you would lose your license. I had just read an article that said 'never' call back a controller, so I did not. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter states that usually handoff from xyz to ZZZ implies clearance into TCA. Hospital base is within TCA. Company was called back by supervisor, ATC, and questioned on incident. Explanation of incident was adequate and no further action pursued. Reporter states that there are usually very good relations with approach and tower.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMS HELI ENTERED TCA WITHOUT CLRNC.
Narrative: WE WERE RETURNING FROM ABC ON A NEONATAL FLT. WE WERE RADAR FLT FOLLOWING WITH ABC. WE WERE HANDED OFF TO XYZ AND THEN HANDED OFF TO ZZZ APCH CTL. I MADE THE USUAL CALL AFTER TUNING IN OUR DISCRETE XPONDER CODE, I.E., DIRECTION ALT AND DEST. THERE WAS A DISCUSSION GOING ON IN THE ACFT BECAUSE AT A HOSPITAL MEETING WE WERE TOLD THE HOSPITAL WAS GOING WITH A DIFFERENT VENDER AND THE PLTS, MECHS AND COMS WOULD BE OUT OF A JOB! IN HINDSIGHT I CAN'T HONESTLY SAY IF ZZZ ANSWERED OR NOT. WE (PLTS) HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH THE CTLRS. WHEN I CALLED APCH TO INFORM THEM WE WERE LNDG, THE CTLR STATED, 'I NEVER CLRED YOU IN THE TCA.' I WAS TAKEN ABACK BY THIS. AFTER I LANDED OUR COMS CALLED ME AND SAID SOME IRATE PERSON CALLED AND SAID IF YOU DIDN'T CALL HIM YOU WOULD LOSE YOUR LICENSE. I HAD JUST READ AN ARTICLE THAT SAID 'NEVER' CALL BACK A CTLR, SO I DID NOT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATES THAT USUALLY HDOF FROM XYZ TO ZZZ IMPLIES CLRNC INTO TCA. HOSPITAL BASE IS WITHIN TCA. COMPANY WAS CALLED BACK BY SUPVR, ATC, AND QUESTIONED ON INCIDENT. EXPLANATION OF INCIDENT WAS ADEQUATE AND NO FURTHER ACTION PURSUED. RPTR STATES THAT THERE ARE USUALLY VERY GOOD RELATIONS WITH APCH AND TWR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.